The Ultimate Fighter / UFC thread

[KDawg]

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MMA isn't about having a spectacular KO, its about winning.

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got to be entertaining to make the big bucks and secure a contract though

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which is [censored] [censored], you shouldn't feel pushed to end the fight just because dana [censored] white will let you loose otherwise, I thought it was about winning, if you show some technique and school your opponents like Machida has its only boring to the drunk screaming [censored] who dont know an armbar from a TKO.

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it's not [censored] though. Exciting fights draw crowds and bring in big buy rates, which therefore means more money for everyone else. Why do you think that Matt Lindland hasn't been brought back. Why do you also think that UFC has had to go into overdrive for Promotion of a PPV after a weak Main Event.

Yes, UFC is a sport, but it also needs to be promoted in a pro wrestling style as it does bear enough resemblence to it to merit that type of promotion. Exciting fights keep on bringing viewers back and get people talking about the promotion, so all of the fighters should do whatever they can to finish a fight, and if they can't finish it, then make sure it's a damn exciting 15 minutes

[MikeyPatriot]

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MMA isn't about having a spectacular KO, its about winning.

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got to be entertaining to make the big bucks and secure a contract though

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which is [censored] [censored], you shouldn't feel pushed to end the fight just because dana [censored] white will let you loose otherwise, I thought it was about winning, if you show some technique and school your opponents like Machida has its only boring to the drunk screaming [censored] who dont know an armbar from a TKO.

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it's not [censored] though. Exciting fights draw crowds and bring in big buy rates, which therefore means more money for everyone else. Why do you think that Matt Lindland hasn't been brought back. Why do you also think that UFC has had to go into overdrive for Promotion of a PPV after a weak Main Event.

Yes, UFC is a sport, but it also needs to be promoted in a pro wrestling style as it does bear enough resemblence to it to merit that type of promotion. Exciting fights keep on bringing viewers back and get people talking about the promotion, so all of the fighters should do whatever they can to finish a fight, and if they can't finish it, then make sure it's a damn exciting 15 minutes

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Matt Lindland has a style very similar to Randy Couture and Dan Henderson. Some interesting stats:

Method of victory percentage:

Matt Lindland: 6 (T)KO(30%), 8 Sub(40%), 5 Dec (25%), 1 other (5%)

Dan Henderson: 10 (T)KO(45.5%), 1 Sub(4.5%), 10 Dec (50%)

Randy Couture: 7 (T)KO(43.75%), 2 Sub(12.50%), 7 Dec (43.75%)

Even just by his UFC fights, this is what Lindland's record looks like:

W Yoji Anjo TKO
W Ricardo Almeida DQ
W Phil Baroni Decision
W Pat Militech TKO
L Murilo Bustamnate Submission
W Ivan Salaverry Decision
W Phil Baroni Decision
L Falaniko Vitale TKO
W Falaniko Vitale Submission
L David Terrell KO
W Travis Lutter Submission
W Joe Doerkson Decision

2 KO, 2 Sub, 4 Dec + 3 losses by sub/KO

I also disagree with the idea that "exciting fights draw in crowds." This is true if you aren't promoting the fighters, and instead are promoting the brand. I do think the UFC has a tendency to go a little brand crazy at times, but like I said earlier, I think they do a pretty good job of pimping fights and fighters too. Ultimately, though, fans want to see big fights. You can definitely fast-track your way to the top with a few highlight reel KOs (Houston Alexander and Sokoudjou), but if you run the table in a division (Lyoto Machida) and end up beating a couple big names, people are gonna want to see what you can do against the other big names.

[MikeyPatriot]

Just so you guys know, there's a pretty good Strikeforce card tonight. It's streaming for free on Yahoo at 11 PM ET.

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Just so you guys know, there's a pretty good Strikeforce card tonight. It's streaming for free on Yahoo at 11 PM ET.

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im ThrasheR there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] always some good action going during events

[MikeyPatriot]

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Just so you guys know, there's a pretty good Strikeforce card tonight. It's streaming for free on Yahoo at 11 PM ET.

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join us mma-maniacs on the IRC server irc.synirc.net then #mma


im ThrasheR there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] always some good action going during events

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Downloading mirc as we speak.

[traz]

ufc 79 is going to be amazing, I'm so exciting. I mean..I'll watch 78 tomorrow obviously, but I am PUMPED for 79.

[KDawg]

teh difference with lindland is his personality though. I'd also say that Hendo is a much more exciting fighter then lindland over the course of their respective careers. I've watched both for a very long time, and Hendo has been a much more exciting fighter then lindland IMO. Using Victory % doesn't go into how the fights play out in the ring. Hendo is always more willing to bang then Lindland has ever been

as far as UFC pimping it's brand over fighters, it's what they do best. They are run like a real pro wrestling promotion. It's impossible to deny that, and with a pro wrestling style promotion, the promotion itself is the focal point, but it needs to build stars to help the brand be viable.

It's a coefficient, but the fact is UFC is the master MMA brand in america, and people buy UFC to see the fights, and they want exciting fights. That's what keeps them coming back ultimately, and with good promotion, they also get big fights that can be exciting. But, if you have a series of fights like the Slyvia/Arlovski fight then you are screwed as apromotion and UFC won't be the fun thing to watch anymore. THe only reason that the Tito/Evans fight has any viability is because of tito's pro-wrestling like promo skills, if it weren't for Tito knowing how to come across as a larger then life character, then a ME like that could be a crowd killer

[mephisto]

I'm pumped for tomorrow's UFC, planning on watching it at a local sports bar near my place with a bunch of guys. Gonna be a good time.

I watched the countdown show on spike and was surprised to not see any Karo interview. Last time he fought he was the 2nd biggest card and got nice media coverage. Guy made a big cocky splash in last season's TUF as well. Dunno, is he on the outs with Dana?

[mephisto]

No comments at all on Validation? The whole UFC was pretty meh imo. And my fav fighter got destroyed tonight in a really brutal fashion.

No way evans will go that much farther up the ladder with that lackluster win. Bisping doesn't have that punching power that's needed either. Anyways, pretty disappointing UFC overall. Next one will be top notch though.

[gehrig]

last night's show was pretty boring.

dont think evans is a contender, altho his next fight is prob for a title shot. glad bisping lost just so he can drop down to 185 now.

i hope karo finally gets his shot now, although he didnt look good.

henderson/anderson silva in march. sweet.