A5s would you have done things different?

DavidSRT · #1 11-09-2007, 07:19 PM

This hand has many villains, I like to call AXs when there are this many limpers, not really sure if this is a leak or not, that is my first question. The table is very loose very passive. generally this many people on every hand going all the way to the river. Dream table.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Think preflop is a leak calling Axs in multi way pots?

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

pretty much the perfect flop, already have the straight, with the nut flush and straight flush draw. I thought about raising, but I thought if I just call the same action might take place on the turn and I can raise the entire field then. Also not really afraid of anything hitting.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

like I said...

River: (12.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Would you have played it differently anywhere?

bellatrix · #2 11-09-2007, 07:23 PM

Raise the flop. I don't get this sudden passiveness on the flop from the micro board. You are missing some value!

DavidSRT · #3 11-09-2007, 07:29 PM

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Raise the flop. I don't get this sudden passiveness on the flop from the micro board. You are missing some value!

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You don't think I may have gotten more value from it this way? Instead of getting 1BB from each player and having them c/c the rest of the way I got 2BB from them on the turn, gaining an extra SB from each player?

kerowo · #4 11-09-2007, 07:34 PM

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Raise the flop. I don't get this sudden passiveness on the flop from the micro board. You are missing some value!

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You don't think I may have gotten more value from it this way? Instead of getting 1BB from each player and having them c/c the rest of the way I got 2BB from them on the turn, gaining an extra SB from each player?

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Woulda, coulda, shoulda really sucks. It is just as likely that the BB isn't going to bet the turn and you are only going to get 1 bet out of the rest of the pack anyway. If you have reads that these guys shut down with strong draws or are foldy let us know. You have a strong hand that can still get drawn out on and lots of people who this could hit. Give them the chance to put money in the pot.

bellatrix · #5 11-09-2007, 07:36 PM

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Raise the flop. I don't get this sudden passiveness on the flop from the micro board. You are missing some value!

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You don't think I may have gotten more value from it this way? Instead of getting 1BB from each player and having them c/c the rest of the way I got 2BB from them on the turn, gaining an extra SB from each player?

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Well, what happens if BB bets on the turn and everybody folds to you? Now you raise (get SB out) and are HU with BB, who you won't be able to get that much value out.

DavidSRT · #6 11-09-2007, 07:41 PM

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Raise the flop. I don't get this sudden passiveness on the flop from the micro board. You are missing some value!

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You don't think I may have gotten more value from it this way? Instead of getting 1BB from each player and having them c/c the rest of the way I got 2BB from them on the turn, gaining an extra SB from each player?

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Well, what happens if BB bets on the turn and everybody folds to you? Now you raise (get SB out) and are HU with BB, who you won't be able to get that much value out.

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ok, I see your point, raise the entire field when you can do it for sure. This table had been calling all the way down, which is why I thought to do it this way. Thanks for the reply Bella

neurotiq · #7 11-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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Well, what happens if BB bets on the turn and everybody folds to you? Now you raise (get SB out) and are HU with BB, who you won't be able to get that much value out.

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Bellatrix hit the nail on the head here. We know that they will very likely call on the flop; we don't know that they will still be around for a turn raise.

This is what I was attempting to get at in my original post, when I wrote: "You have four people in front of you who are all likely to call your raise. Get their money while they're still in the pot!"

Aaron W. · #8 11-09-2007, 07:43 PM

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Raise the flop. I don't get this sudden passiveness on the flop from the micro board. You are missing some value!

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You don't think I may have gotten more value from it this way? Instead of getting 1BB from each player and having them c/c the rest of the way I got 2BB from them on the turn, gaining an extra SB from each player?

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This time you did, but consider all the sorts of things that can happen on the turn to make BB freeze up or make the other players fold on the turn:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Turn: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Turn: (5.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)

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Not to mention that maybe even a Q/J/T/9 might make BB go into check-call mode with 4x...

DavidSRT · #9 11-09-2007, 07:48 PM

Yeah I see now. This particular time it worked out, but in the future ill play it standard and raise the flop.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

neurotiq · #10 11-09-2007, 07:23 PM

Preflop is perfect. Ace-rag suited plays well multi-way.

The flop is a raise. You have four people in front of you who are all likely to call your raise. Get their money while they're still in the pot!

Turn and river look good to me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]