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#31
11-25-2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
The MVP award is a function of team performance - and it should be. How valuable a player can you be if your team is 30-52? To me, it's an untenable argument to say "this player is the best player in the NBA for this season despite his team's poor W/L record." "Most Valuable" for a given season needs to bear some positive relationship to regular-season wins (since the MVP award is voted on before the playoffs). In the NBA, a lot of players put up gaudy numbers to the detriment of their team (Iverson much of his career, Kobe in the soon-post-Shaq era).
If you put Duncan on the Cavs instead of LeBron, they win more games. There isn't a doubt in my mind. You put Duncan on any team in the NBA in place of their "best" player and I would argue the same point - at least for this season. It's closer with Nash but I suspect the same would be true - CLE would be a better regular-season team. He's a more efficient scorer and he dictates how a game is player to a much greater extent than LeBron...and he does a far better job improving his teammates. Hughes is a really poor fit in Cleveland, but that's mostly because they have an awful coach. He's got a lot of talent when healthy - Hughes' "poor" Cleveland years (15/4/4) are Luke Walton's ceiling. 
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#32
11-25-2007, 03:10 PM
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
Irish, you have become the Vyse of the sporting events forum.
Right now the MVP is Lebrons to lose. Think about it this way: [ QUOTE ] How valuable a player can you be if your team is 30-52? [/ QUOTE ] If they didnt have lebron, they'd be a 12-70 team, so he's good for 18 wins.
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#34
11-25-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
Iriahhand- It's not a "highest points per game" award, it's a "best player" award, so your Iverson comment is nonsensical. The appropriate test is the one you explain later in your post(all else equal which player would you rather have), which hilariously completely defeats your initial nonsense about regular season success.
Also, Nash>Lebron? You've got to be [censored] me. Re: Hughes, Hughes is never healthy and has only had one year his entire career that was decent. He's terrible.
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#36
11-25-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
[ QUOTE ]
It's closer with Nash but I suspect the same would be true - CLE would be a better regular-season team. He's a more efficient scorer and he dictates how a game is player to a much greater extent than LeBron...and he does a far better job improving his teammates. [/ QUOTE ] haha. I'd love for this to happen. Oh sweet they missed a shot nice outlet pass. Now I'm running the break. I'm the muffukkin man. Someone is getting a layup I make everyone so [censored] good it's scary. I'm cutting through the lane. Time to hit the trailer. *turns ball over*. wtf?! Where's Amare? *scans floor*. Oh.. he turned into a 7'3" white guy and he hasn't gotten past half court yet. Damn I miss Amare and Marion.
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#38
11-25-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
i really dont think you could swap anyone with lebron and the cavs would be better. i could be biased since i watch all the cavs games and rarely watch other teams so i do have homer persuasions to him.
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#39
11-25-2007, 03:50 PM
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ugh, hughes is just bad. you gotta watch the guy play. he misses layups. takes bad jumpers. makes poor passes and wrong passes killing offensive rhythm. i will say he plays really hard. [/ QUOTE ] I never said he wasn't an idiot with low basketball IQ - only that he was more talented than Walton. Obviously though, a different opinion from the norm makes me the forum retard. Easy solution to that problem. Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving!
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