A8o & A9o n00b preflop questions

[TJO]

Hand 1

CO is 35/7/1 (0/42 cold calls)
Button is 22/15 (0/40 cold calls)
SB is 37/2.3 (2/40 cold calls)
BB is 24/7

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero raises or folds?


Hand 2

MP1 is 44/0/0.5 60 hands
SB is 35/7/1 50 hands
BB is 0/0/0 10 hands

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls or raises to isolate?

It says in the FAQ:
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AF: aggression factor. This is an arbitrary number representing the relative frequency of which you are the aggressor on each street. The numbers vary greatly by your style and posting specific hands is generally better to determine if your aggressiveness is appropriate. VPIP/PFR account for your preflop aggression, so generally ignore AF - PF. Your postflop aggression will typically be around 2 - 3 on each postflop street. The flop is often higher than the turn and river, often exceeding 3.0. A micro posters overall AF (not including PF) will typically be in the 2.0 - 3.0 range. Some posters report success with overall AF's over 3, but nearly none have AF's under 2. This is not a stat worth overanalyzing unless it is woefully low or maniacally high.

[/ QUOTE ]Is there a way to calculate total AF without AF - PF in Poker Tracker? Are you including AF - PF in villain's AF when you're posting? I'm little confused with this. Because the total AF the way my PT calculates it doesn't really tell much about the opponent.

[martybonus]

i'd fold the first hand and prolly the second as well.

[milesdyson]

Given the table lineups I think these are both automatic raises.

[Bona]

I believe most of the stats quoted will include PF agression. You can get it either way from PT. Just check or uncheck the box. Don't remember where the box is but I think it is on the expanded stats page.

Please take a hard look at the components of AF calculation and think twice before you get too dependent on it for reads or too hung up on the concept of "improving?" your own PFR.

IMO the hands you present are read dependent and the answer will vary situationally.

[TJO]

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I believe most of the stats quoted will include PF agression. You can get it either way from PT. Just check or uncheck the box. Don't remember where the box is but I think it is on the expanded stats page.

Please take a hard look at the components of AF calculation and think twice before you get too dependent on it for reads or too hung up on the concept of "improving?" your own PFR.

IMO the hands you present are read dependent and the answer will vary situationally.

[/ QUOTE ]Thanks! That's very good advice. And I found the check box. It's in general info tab, player summary section. Press "more detail.." and there's the check box.

These were hands from a session review I'm currently doing. I thought both of these were good spots to raise but I wasn't 100% sure and I didn't want to give wrong advice. So I wanted a line check here.

In hand 2 if the villains are unknown is it better to just call or even fold?

[milesdyson]

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In hand 2 if the villains are unknown is it better to just call or even fold?

[/ QUOTE ]
No, always raise. A9o OTB against an open limper is huge.

[threads13]

I am looking at Hand 1 and not really digging a raise. I think with the CO and SB both being somewhat loose(more worried about getting cold called by the CO) that I am not going to like the result often enough.

Hand 2 I am ok with a raise. The SB is a bit of a problem with his looseness. I don't want to attempt to isolate and end up with a 3-way pot.

[milesdyson]

CO has not coldcalled once in 42 times.

[Bona]

I think you need to raise hand 2.

[Befolder]

Rizizaise both.