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Old 07-10-2007, 07:52 PM
ValarMorghulis ValarMorghulis is offline
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Default 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

Villain is lanausee on PartyPoker.

He seems to be running about 21/24 over 100 hands with an ATS of 43.

We've clashed a bit: One hand, he called my 3bet and flop cbet, he folded on the river. Another hand, he raised my cbet, I 3bet and he folded.

How have I done so far and what's my river play?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $705.00
Hero (BB): $1,803.22
UTG: $1,152.00
CO: $1,100.45
BTN: $591.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $21.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $66.00</font>, CO calls $45.00

Flop: ($135) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $99.00</font>, Hero calls $99.00

Turn: ($333) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $240.00</font>, Hero calls $240.00

River: ($813) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:00 PM
kev123 kev123 is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

Don`t like the pf rr with TJo , but as you have him now I would make it $999 to match his $99 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] . c/shove may work against very aggro players
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:00 PM
KingGordy KingGordy is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

I think I like a check in this spot. He'll probably be v-betting lighter than he's calling, since a lead from you right here would look ridiculously strong. If you lead I think he can get away from anything that's not AJ or stronger, but he might feel weak checking behind QJ or whatever in a spot where it looks like you may be trying to showdown QQ-AA.
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

21/24 is sick mmm.

Kinda sucks but I don't see how he can call with an overpair if you open shove for a bi here. I guess you check.

Not reaaally keen on flop/turn but ok.
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Drag007 Drag007 is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

yeah i think the rr pf is very bad
but once we get to the river...i think a crai is fine, since if you all of a sudden spring to life and lead the river it looks pretty strong imo
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:12 PM
ValarMorghulis ValarMorghulis is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

I'm not always going to 3 betting JTo but his ATS is 43% so he should fold a large percentage of the time. And JT is reasonably playable.

Reading replies I agree I probably should check river.

Should I of folded turn? Played flop, turn differently?
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:21 PM
LouisCyphre LouisCyphre is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

I agree with the previous posters that suddenly leading the river with a decent sized bet will look very suspicious. You might as well reveal a J.
An alternative is maybe a fake blocking bet that in the very least will deny him a free showdown. It might also induce a bluff raise.

I prefer leading the flop which will give you some idea of where you stand in the hand. What was your plan for the turn if you do not improve?
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

i would normally check, you could also bet 240. just dont bet more.
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:34 PM
ValarMorghulis ValarMorghulis is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

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An alternative is maybe a fake blocking bet that in the very least will deny him a free showdown. It might also induce a bluff raise.

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I dunno if many people will bluff raise 200BBs deep.

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I prefer leading the flop which will give you some idea of where you stand in the hand. What was your plan for the turn if you do not improve?

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I guess I expected that I would be bluff raised often if I led and I would have to fold. I don't think he calls with many worse hands. So effectively I lose all value from my hand if he either raises or folds.

I dunno, it'd of been close for me as to whether I'd c/call or c/fold on T if I didn't improve. Depending on my gut instinct at the time. Probably c/fold I guess. Though I do like hero calls.

Also, after calling the turn I expected to have a very tough decision on the river if I didn't improve and he pushed. I'd probably of folded.
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Old 07-10-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: DEEP, I\'m scared, luckily my hand keeps improving

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So effectively I lose all value from my hand if he either raises or folds.

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There's value in winning this reraised pot, in not giving free cards and in not being tricked into folding the best hand.
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