lagging it up

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These are Hero's eq vs various ranges

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this is not the right way to solve this problem

u should look at each turn card and see how much u profit vs each hand in his range.

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you are right of course and i'm sure oink knows this. he just did the calculation assuming neutral implied odds. the interesting question is how wide the villain's range has to be for the implied odds to actually be neutral. to answer this question we pretty much have to do exactly what you say (which is a p.i.t.a.), but just intuitively: do you think they are positive, neutral, or negative if the villain's range is

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88+,7c7d,7c7h,7d7h,6c6d,6c6h,6d6h,5c5d,5c5h,5d5h,A Ts+,KJs+,KcTc,KdTd,QcJc,QdJd,QcTc,QdTd,JcTc,JdTd,T c9c,Td9d,AJo+,KQo


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(vs. which we have 18% equity)

oink seems to think they are positive, unless i'm misunderstanding him, but i'd guess they are still negative.

[Oink]

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this is really bad

u cant juts ignore the times that ur not paying 3 sb in a 7.5sb pot


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I am not

Just pointing out the most likely outcome. Sure it sucks when someone coldcaps behind us


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this is not the right way to solve this problem

u should look at each turn card and see how much u profit vs each hand in his range.



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Well, duh!

I couldnt be bothered doing that. My post merely pointed put that EVEN with neutral implied the the peel is bad against a "standard" range.

I thought it was pretty obvious that my post was only a partial analysis based on simplifiyng assumptions.

[gehrig]

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I couldnt be bothered doing that.

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well ur spending more time coming to worse conclusions

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also, oink, if you agree that we have serious rio here, why do you think we should peel against you given that we barely have a call assuming neutral implied odds?

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how did you come to this conclusion?

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i just assumed the range that oink gives for which hero's equity is 18% is pretty much his range. or does he cap even lighter?

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Just to point out the obvious:
implied odds are only part of the equation. Folding the turn when we don't hit means we won't realize our full hot/cold equity from the flop. You really have to look at each different turn/river combination and assume a strategy (as you already well know).