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10-23-2006, 09:48 PM
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Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
Fixed to use MGR instead of rake. Please put down your torches and pitchforks.
I've used my own PT stats for the last couple months. All numbers below reflect the new FPP thresholds. Using 1FPP=$.015 NL$100 Full Ring VPIP: 22.54 Total Hands: 138388 Hands rake .40 or more: 58368 Hands rake $3: 6961 Total VPP generated: 65329 Ave VPP/hand: .47 Total rake: $5586.85 MGR: $10012.93 Bronze FPP: 65329 = $979.94 = 10% rakeback based on MGR Silver FPP: 97993 = $1469.90 = 15% rakeback based on MGR Gold FPP: 130658 = $1959.87 = 20% rakeback based on MGR Platinum FPP: 163322 = $2449.83 = 24% rakeback based on MGR Supernova FPP: 228651 = $3429.77 = 34% rakeback based on MGR NL$200 Full Ring VPIP: 19.20 Total Hands: 21082 All hands rake .40: 11350 All hands rake $3: 2311 Total VPP: 13661 Ave VPP/hand: .65 Total rake: $1082.25 MGR: $2184.39 Bronze FPP: 13661 = $204.92 = 9% rakeback based on MGR Silver FPP: 20491 = $307.37 = 14% rakeback based on MGR Gold FPP: 27322 = $409.83 = 19% rakeback based on MGR Platinum FPP: 34152 = $512.28 = 23% rakeback based on MGR Supernova FPP: 47813 = $717.20 = 33% rakeback based on MGR Keep in mind Platinum and Supernova players are rare at these levels. Most players are Gold or less. Average hands required for level: NL$100 Full Ring Silver: 3192 hands/month Gold: 8511 hands/month Platinum: 21277 hands/month Supernova: 212766 hands/year NL$200 Full Ring Silver: 2308 hands/month Gold: 6154 hands/month Platinum: 15385 hands/month Supernova: 153846 hands/year So all you other low-limit guys thinking of pushing for Supernova by the end of the year? Do it!!!!! 
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#3
10-23-2006, 09:55 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
Wow. I was happy seeing the 24.5% number at 1/2 6-max before reading this thread. Now all I can think about it how badly 6-max players get [censored] over.
But are you calculating RB percentages based on the total rake paid in the General Info tab? Or by MGR numbers on the Games Notes tab? Because if it's the first method, then you can't make a direct comparison to Full Tilt RB.
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10-23-2006, 09:58 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring *DELETED*
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10-23-2006, 10:00 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
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[ QUOTE ] Wow. I was happy seeing the 24.5% number at 1/2 6-max before reading this thread. Now all I can think about it how badly 6-max players get [censored] over. [/ QUOTE ] What Star level? Is that using the new $2 rake threshold for the bonus VPP? That should make a huge difference. [/ QUOTE ] ata's numbers for 'nova under the new rules gives 24.5% for 1/2NL 6-max. TheMeteron's numbers backed this up, as do my numbers over a couple thousand hands so far.
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10-23-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
A simple check fo the math checks out for me:
Say a FR hand is raked $.40 and a player has supernova status. The player gets 3.5 FPP, which are worth $.015 each, so he gets $.0525 in return, while each player only contributed $.04 in rake in the first place. Thaqt's the complete optimal situation, but it does show that absurdly high RB can be had through this system. My question is, why the hell does this include up to $1/$2 blind NL games but only up to $1/$2 fixed limit? $100NL is a way bigger game than $1/$2 limit. Still a big improvement, although after reading this thread they probably get rid of it.
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#7
10-23-2006, 10:11 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
The math is correct - but he needs to redo the calculations based of MGR numbers, not total rake paid, if you want to make a direct comparison to Full Tilt.
FWIW, here's what ata came up with - about half of what OP is getting. 6-max players still get [censored]. NEW NUMBERS (Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum/Supernova) 100NL Full Ring 9.6% 14.4% 19.1% 23.9% 33.5% 200NL Full Ring 9.1% 13.7% 18.3% 22.8% 31.9% 200NL 6max 7.0% 10.5% 14.0% 17.5% 24.5%
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#8
10-23-2006, 10:20 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
I don't think VPPs can be used as FPPs. Getting more VPPs seems to make it easier to become a supernova, but you don't get an FPP for every VPP...
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10-23-2006, 10:35 PM
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Re: Stars New Rakeback Values for $100NL and $200NL Full Ring
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I don't think VPPs can be used as FPPs. Getting more VPPs seems to make it easier to become a supernova, but you don't get an FPP for every VPP... [/ QUOTE ] You generate VPP's based on raked hands. VPP determines Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum/Supernova. FPP's are a multiple of VPP and your VIP level. (ie: for Silver, FPP=VPP*1.5) The change makes it easier for low-limit players to attain higher VIP levels and generate FPP's which are traded in at the store. [ QUOTE ] Your MGR should not be THAT different from your rake... [/ QUOTE ] ??? [ QUOTE ] Do you now get FPPs at $.40? [/ QUOTE ] Up to $200NL you now get 1 VPP for every pot raked $.40 or more. Bonus point for $3 rake ($2 at 6-max).
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