1/2 stud8- typical KK mess

[RubbishCards]

Villain is a live one. I just saw him "defend" his BI with (K3)5 against a UTG complete from obvious KK, then peel 4th after catching a T (is it even peeling when you have no draw?)

He can easily have split 9s or 2 low cards in the hole here. Maybe I save a bet by bet/folding 6th but then I am throwing away half the pot when he has a low. Presumably there is an actual good way of playing this hand from 6th, but I don't know what it is. Can somebody please enlighten me?


7 Card Stud High-Low ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls

4th Street - (3.20 SB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.60 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (4.60 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River - (6.60 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (8.60 BB)

[2461Badugi]

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Presumably there is an actual good way of playing this hand from 6th

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You're playing split kings in stud/8, so no, there isn't. In a spot like this you just have to play it this way and take the RIO hit.

[Rush17]

This player simply plays bad, and because of that, I think you need to call him down. There's no way that you can read him for a made low, and the A on his board was the case Ace, so he couldn't have made a pair of AA which should be a huge sigh of relief for your KK.

I may have even bet into him on 6th street (I don't think you lose too much either way, to be honest. I actually prefer to play a little bit more cautious against a new opponent even if he's a live one).

And, If he has you beat well then good for him, but until he proves himself otherwise, he gets paid off.

Also, I normally wouldn't advocate playing the high pairs in stud8, but, I think you found yourself one of those rare spots where it was the right play. Everyone folds accept for the bad player with the 9 doorcard? Easy raise, imo.

[ceegee]

You shouldn't be aggressive with split kings in stud 8. It plays much different that stud hi. I personally would maybe call on third only because you are hoping to split the pot at best in the end so why even bother risking him hitting split 9's or a low straight?

[betgo]

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You shouldn't be aggressive with split kings in stud 8. It plays much different that stud hi. I personally would maybe call on third only because you are hoping to split the pot at best in the end so why even bother risking him hitting split 9's or a low straight?

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I will often just fold split kings on 3rd, but the raise seems standard here with only a 9 limping and the bringin the only player to act.

[RubbishCards]

I am the world's biggest 3rd st big pair nit and look for any excuse to fold them, but these guys at 1/2 who limp/call split 9s and Ts when raised by overcards are just handing you money on a plate. I am not hoping to split the pot, I'm hoping to scoop by getting heads up against a worse high hand.

[xxeximusxx]

you played it fine, folding on 3rd would be ludicrous in this situation. just call it down from 6th, no other way to play it.

[Tha Stunna]

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You shouldn't be aggressive with split kings in stud 8. It plays much different that stud hi. I personally would maybe call on third only because you are hoping to split the pot at best in the end so why even bother risking him hitting split 9's or a low straight?

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I will often just fold split kings on 3rd, but the raise seems standard here with only a 9 limping and the bringin the only player to act.

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/agree. Although a 9 up doesnt mean the player has a weak hand, the fact that they didn't raise almost always means your kings are best. You also have a ton of club blockers out. Kings are solid in heads up pots unless the other player has aces or trips, and that isn't happening here.

You're not playing for a split; you're playing for a scoop, and you've got a good hand to do so.

If he catches the case ace or pairs up on the river, that just proves you played the hand well. No worries.

[chillrob]

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This player simply plays bad, and because of that, I think you need to call him down. There's no way that you can read him for a made low, and the A on his board was the case Ace, so he couldn't have made a pair of AA which should be a huge sigh of relief for your KK.


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Unless I missed something, there is still one ace left that he could hit, or have had in the hole to begin with. Doesn't mean hero should necessarily give up though.

[Micturition Man]

You played it fine.

Most reasonable players are overwhelmingly likely to have started with a 3-low/2-flush in the 9's spot. So I think there is an excellent chance he is just betting a low on 6th and you are in solid shape. (Because he can't have paired the A yet in this case.)

The fishier he is the more likely it is he has aces up or something, but I still wouldn't worry about that enough to fold.

(Also I think people in this forum are way too hard on big overpairs in stud 8, but that's another matter.)