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Old 11-13-2007, 05:47 PM
Lottery Larry Lottery Larry is offline
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Default Re: Stud8, A8A - capped on 3rd

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And the river bet is NEVER pointless! Anyone who checks behind in these spots with a hand that CAN NOT lose, is playing sloppy poker. Why? because once you start saying, "this bet is silly", you start to miss bets in other spots without even realizing it. Always bet, always give them the chance to fold. Whoever said, "Never underestimate the misclick," is correct, and it's just another reason why betting is such the favorable choice. Also, if you only bet when you improve, don't you think that really good players will start to fold more correctly against you? I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of checking; when you always bet the river in these spots with a hand that has one side locked guaranteed, then you are also disguising your hand, AND, you send the message that the river is NOT going to be free for them when you don't improve. Because by doing that, you make their life/decsions that much easier. F&*# that, make them pay, scare them a little if you can. That's what it's all about, or at least, a part of what it's about. Besides, betting a no-brainer is fun!

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Old 11-14-2007, 01:29 AM
Andy B Andy B is offline
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Default Re: Stud8, A8A - capped on 3rd

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Reads: This table is super-solid. The most solid stud8 table I've ever seen. Good players who know what they are doing.

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So what the hell are we doing in this game?

You raise third with an Ace in the door and a King raises. You suggest that he's a good player, so he either has the other two Aces in the hole or rolled-up Kings. With the former, your hand is dead, and with the latter, you're crushed. I'll guess that Aces are the more likely, as rolled Kings probably wouldn't want to give away his hand (although what else could he be calling with?), and dead Aces wouldn't mind taking down the pot on third. In any case, I wouldn't be pumping the pot with your hand. I'd just call his raise.

Fourth came down pretty good for you. I still wouldn't jam. I might check-raise or bet out hoping for a raise, but I'm not looking to play a big pot with this hand.

Definitely bet fifth with your Aces and nut low draw. It's looking like the other aggressor had the other two Aces at this point.

Sixth street is interesting. I wouldn't be able to resist raising. It's really hard to fathom what seat 5 has. He shouldn't be on a flush draw with all those clubs gone on third street. Maybe just calling will keep a draw in where raising wouldn't. The only way to make real money is to jam, though. Maybe he's married to whatever draw he's on. Only one way to find out.

Definitely bet the river.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:07 AM
Tha Stunna Tha Stunna is offline
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Default Re: Stud8, A8A - capped on 3rd

Well, I can certainly see why everyone disagrees with me. However, I would much rather have everyone fold to my bets too often instead of calling me 100% (which they probably do anyways with a pair).

I do usually bet in these spots, and I always bet if:
1. I may be able to scoop.
2. I may get a better hand to fold.
3. The person didn't raise at any point
4. I'm pissed at the person in question, often after missing a nice high draw.

I'd maintain that there are metagame reasons for not betting, but to each their own. I admit that misclick equity is something I didn't think about though.
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