need comments on this hand cause i suck at HU

[SuperSnort]

looking at my PT stats after this session, i am in the blue (dont like red changed colour [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]) in all HU i have played (.5/1, 1/2, 2/4) and i shall never play HU again but would still like comments on this hand, especially if you have played the villain MissWeakTight before. she/he is very aggressive and just dominated me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

FullTiltPoker Game #3837178426: Table Kiss (heads up) - $2/$4 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:00:32 ET - 2007/10/12
Seat 1: MissWeaktight ($915.95)
Seat 2: Snort4eva ($533.60)
Snort4eva posts the small blind of $2
MissWeaktight posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Snort4eva [Ac Jh 4c Jd]
Snort4eva raises to $12
MissWeaktight calls $8
*** FLOP *** [9s Tc Jc]
MissWeaktight checks
Snort4eva bets $16
MissWeaktight raises to $44
Snort4eva calls $28
*** TURN *** [9s Tc Jc] [2d]
MissWeaktight bets $112
Snort4eva calls $112
*** RIVER *** [9s Tc Jc 2d] [7s]
MissWeaktight bets $96
Snort4eva has 15 seconds left to act
Snort4eva folds
Uncalled bet of $96 returned to MissWeaktight
MissWeaktight mucks
MissWeaktight wins the pot ($335.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $336 | Rake $0.50
Board: [9s Tc Jc 2d 7s]
Seat 1: MissWeaktight (big blind) collected ($335.50), mucked
Seat 2: Snort4eva (small blind) folded on the River

[CrushinFelt]

arrr in on flop

[sc000t]

Wow, I play that flop way more aggressively.

As played, the river is a fold tho. Read on opponent would be nice.

[Ribbo]

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arrr in on flop

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absolutely. You are waaaaay ahead. I think it's almost impossible to be behind here.

[sc000t]

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arrr in on flop

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absolutely. You are waaaaay ahead. I think it's almost impossible to be behind here.

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board: 9sTcJc
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcJh4cJd 41.46% 340 0
KcQc9c9h 58.54% 480 0

[thisnamedoesntfi]

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arrr in on flop

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absolutely. You are waaaaay ahead. I think it's almost impossible to be behind here.

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board: 9sTcJc
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcJh4cJd 41.46% 340 0
KcQc9c9h 58.54% 480 0

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Well giving villain half the Boat outs and some flush outs you're behind. Jeez :P

Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 9s Jc Tc
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 4c Jd Jh 505 61.59 313 38.17 2 0.24 0.617
As Ks Qd Qh 313 38.17 505 61.59 2 0.24 0.383

[mixmastermattyk]

If this hand is indicative of your general HU play, you are clearly not aggressive enough by a long way. As everyone else has said, PLEASE push flop. If you don't realise just how good your hand is, you obviously haven't played enough omaha. If that is the case, maybe move down a couple limits where the play will be easier, less aggressive and a better learning environment.

[Elrazor]

6 or 10 handed im shoving this on the flop, nevermind HU

[Buzz]

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Snort4eva posts the small blind of $2
MissWeaktight posts the big blind of $4

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*** FLOP *** [9s Tc Jc]
MissWeaktight checks
Snort4eva bets $16
MissWeaktight raises to $44
Snort4eva calls $28

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Supersnort - If MissWeakTight is the big blind, I don't understand how she acts first on the second betting round.

Aside from that discrepancy, Snort4eva is probably ahead after this flop.

How far ahead depends on how many of her outs, especially clubs, MissWeakTight probably holds.

I think it's reasonable to tentatively put MissWeakTight on a flopped straight. And if that is the case, the final board has to either have a pair or enable a flush.

Snort4eva has 7 immediate outs for the board to pair. And then there are 7 more possible outs for clubs. However, it's reasonable for MissWeakTight to hold, on the average, at least one club. And if one club is the case, then Snort4eva only has 13 outs (rather than 14).

So if we think in terms of two four card hands and a three card board, without knowing exactly what MissWeakTight holds, we can use up two cards to put MissWeakTight on the straight.

And unless either of those are clubs that doesn't use up any of Snort4eva's outs.

Since we're figuring on the basis of two four-card hands plus a three card flop, once we put MissWeakTight on a particular 4 cards, there will be 41 cards whose whereabouts are unknown.

Turns out we can use up anywhere from four down to none of Snort4eva's outs, if we put MissWeakTight on the straight.

With 14 outs after the flop, Snort4eva is ahead 469 to 351.

With 13 outs after the flop, Snort4eva is ahead 442 to 378.

With 12 outs after the flop, Snort4eva is ahead 414 to 406.

With 11 outs after the flop, Snort4eva is behind 385 to 435.

It's possible that MissWeakTight has a straight flush draw, for example
Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]-Y-Z, which could actually reduce Snort4eva's outs to ten or even nine, depending on Y and Z.

But at any rate, Snort4eva is probably ahead after the flop, maybe averaging 430 to 390, something in that range. That's approximately a 52.5% (for Snort4eva) to 47.5% (for MissWeakTight) edge in pot equity.

However, when the turn misses, the advantage reverses, and substantially! Suddenly MissWeakTight, if holding the straight, has approximately a two to one edge!

The most outs Snort4eva can have are 14. And if so, the other 26 cards belong to MissWeakTight.
Or if Snort4eva only really had 13 outs, then MissWeakTight has a 27 to 13 edge.

And that's very reasonable. I think between 27 to 13 and 28 to 12 (roughly two to one) is the actual advantage MissWeakTight has after the turn, if she flopped the straight. Snort4eva still has implied pot odds to call the turn bet and plays perfectly by calling the turn bet, and also perfectly by folding to the river bet.

One could argue Snort4eva should have bet $24 on the second betting round, but in my humble opinion, the $16 bet (2/3 of the pot) was very reasonable and possibly induced MissWeakTight to mistakenly raise.

Indeed, all Snort4eva did wrong, in my humble opinion, was not re-raising MissWeakTight's mistaken raise on the flop. And that one was pretty close. And as things turned out, making the mistake of not re-raising actually probably worked out better for Snort4eva.

Buzz

[thisnamedoesntfi]

So what you're saying Buzz, is go arrrrr in.