(razz) An observation about low limit razz - Page 2

SGspecial · #11 09-26-2007, 11:32 AM

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This is a quote from Ted Forrest who some consider to be one of the best Razz players anywhere:

"If you are a fundamentally sound player, you will be at a disadvantage to players who really understand Razz.... "

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Just out of curiosity, could you tell me where this quote comes from ? I googled it, and the only results are directed to your post.

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It's from the razz chapter in the Full Tilt strategy guide book. While I don't agree with everything Ted says in there about razz, this quote is spot on.

Praxising · #12 09-26-2007, 06:03 PM

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This is a quote from Ted Forrest who some consider to be one of the best Razz players anywhere:

"If you are a fundamentally sound player, you will be at a disadvantage to players who really understand Razz.... "

[/ QUOTE ]Just out of curiosity, could you tell me where this quote comes from ? I googled it, and the only results are directed to your post.

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Sure - it's from the Full Tilt Strategy Guide Tournament Edition. I don't have a page number, just a lot of notes, but it's the very last thing in that chapter.

The Razz section is about 4 pages (OK maybe 8) but it's an interview type deal with Huck Seed and Ted Forrest. It's short but dense, it really helped my game. I think it said they both have two Razz bracelets a piece.

I also love the last part of what he said:

"Anybody playing basic strategy is going to get crushed by a good poker player. Razz is one of the purest forms of poker because the good players will make the money and the bad players will lose the money. It's a beautiful, beautiful form of poker."

Take that, Norman Chad!

(edited to add: Uh-oh! Shoulda read ahead!)

Praxising · #13 09-26-2007, 06:10 PM

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i can catagorically say both ways work. i've had months where my VP$IP is in the high 30s to low 40s and won. also had a couple of months where my rate was comparable and was playing at around 25% VP%IP.

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And I just had a session where my VPIP was 11% and I lost every hand I played! (Well, Rusty, that's the end of my 60-80% showdown win run!)

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I think the hardest thing about poker is not giving it up. But the worst thing would be to give up poker.

SGspecial · #14 09-27-2007, 11:18 AM

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And I just had a session where my VPIP was 11% and I lost every hand I played! (Well, Rusty, that's the end of my 60-80% showdown win run!)

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I'm not a huge fan of VPIP %ages ruling your game in razz, but judging on a session by session basis is even worse.

RustyBrooks · #15 09-27-2007, 11:20 AM

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And I just had a session where my VPIP was 11% and I lost every hand I played! (Well, Rusty, that's the end of my 60-80% showdown win run!)

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I'm not a huge fan of VPIP %ages ruling your game in razz, but judging on a session by session basis is even worse.

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And it kind of emphasizes the point - if a few sessions change any stat significantly, you didn't have enough data points to trust the statistic.

RagzMaster · #16 09-27-2007, 12:39 PM

These are my numbers from the wcoop razz tourny (that I won). Dont know if these help you, but here they are. These numbers are considerablly tighter then my cash game stats, which of course is because I played 8 sided the whole tourny as opposed to cash games where I average only about 4 opponents per table.

RagzMaster · #17 09-27-2007, 12:55 PM

and last 2 months of cash games:
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SGspecial · #18 09-27-2007, 04:49 PM

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These are my numbers from the wcoop razz tourny (that I won). Dont know if these help you, but here they are. These numbers are considerablly tighter then my cash game stats, which of course is because I played 8 sided the whole tourny as opposed to cash games where I average only about 4 opponents per table.

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Hey ragz, congrats. Any observations for the 2p2 studders about this tourney? From your stats, it seems prax has been taking lessons from you on how to win 90% of his showdowns (at least from your last 3 levels)

Praxising · #19 09-27-2007, 05:06 PM

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These are my numbers from the wcoop razz tourny (that I won). Dont know if these help you, but here they are. These numbers are considerablly tighter then my cash game stats, which of course is because I played 8 sided the whole tourny as opposed to cash games where I average only about 4 opponents per table.

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RAGZMASTER! My Hero! (prax begins syncophantically chanting "I'm not worthy!" with zenlike intensity)

I was around for most of it (long hours defeated my resolve to watch final table) and as you know - you rock. Congrats on the great win. I know there was a deal, but I don't think anyone was in doubt.

It was really generous of you to post these stats - Esp your cash game ones. tx

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prax <--indulging in fantasy at the moment

RagzMaster · #20 09-28-2007, 11:36 AM

Thanks guys.

I don't really have anything groundbreaking to say about the tourny, it played pretty much how I thought it would, although I was hoping to do good , I was very surprised to win.

Now the Stud Hi/Lo tourny last night, that's a whole other story. I was shocked to get 11th, seeing as I played my very first hand of it ever in my life yesteday morning for about 20 minutes, losing about 40 cents at the 10c/20c table.