3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

[betgo]

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You have a ton of implied odds.

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Not really.

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You have negative implied odds. You bust if you make a flush and villain makes a higher one.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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Blinds are 25/50 and I think we started with 60bbs. I've been opening almost every hand for the first 2 orbits. Both young guys on my left have reraised me once.





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why are you raising this much in the first level of a donkament?

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get out of here dood he's better than like almost everyone in this field prob and it's a 3k tournament he wants to get big or go home i would be raising like 65% of my hands at htis level not as many as krantz obv i'm not that goot

[KRANTZ]

i guess we started with 6k, 25/50 blinds. i'm raising a lot because the table is 5 handed (not everyone has shown up yet) and because i'm a damn nasty superfreak at this game

[Steroid Boy]

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i guess we started with 6k, 25/50 blinds. i'm raising a lot because the table is 5 handed (not everyone has shown up yet) and because i'm a damn nasty superfreak at this game

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a 5handed table is a very good reason to be raising frequently and aejones you are a doll

[gobboboy]

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You have a ton of implied odds.

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Not really.

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You have negative implied odds. You bust if you make a flush and villain makes a higher one.

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Aces suck, they're hard to fold and your opponent can make a better hand.

[NoahSD]

We definitely don't have negative implied odds. A higher flush draw can be discounted a decent amount because people play so passively live. Most of the time he's got a strong made hand that he doesn't want to fold.

I agree that the 3-bet is probably unwarranted and not the most profitable line to take. I do think we have more implied odds than betgo and ansky are leading on here because the guy is a bad player. He friggin' block bet the river with a 4-card straight out there with TPMK against the rock of all rocks. I think we're busting the guy if we bet smart if a club hits on the turn (and we don't get an action killer on the river... but even then, he'll probably block/call with his KTo).

While gobbo was joking, I think, it's true that your life equity is highest by gambling in this spot and then crushing the nearby NL game or building your stack as a 60/40 dog. If you remove other games as part of your equity, then I think the best line is to call his raise, and either call/fold the turn depending on his action and the card.

[PhatPots]

over played. This early in the tournament don't get it in on a coin flip. I would just call the raise and keep the pot small. If you hit your card, pressumably you will be able to get Villains money anyways.

Once you make the re-raise your are pot committed. Even if he has a set, you now have the odds (but its close).

Added: Wait, do we have 60 BBs or 120 BBs? Makes a huge difference. If its 120 BBs should not call his push.

[betgo]

I guess this is 120 BBs. In any case, this is an example of an MTT player not adjusting to deep money. With short stacks in typical online or daily/weekly live MTTs, you can treat pair and flush draw as the nuts on the flop.

Similarly, in most cases, you can treat AK/JJ/QQ is the nuts preflop with less than 40xBB. With deep stacks, you are usually in bad shape when you get allin preflop with these hands.

[Lefort]

I just call the raise due to the awkward stack-sizes..