25/50 TPTK vs tay

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

what are you guys talking about? tay is in the bb, why cant he have a 4?

[Ansky]

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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this

can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned

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what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ

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no way is it a bluff if he has QQ or JJ. Theres no chance of you folding a better hand than QQ to this action, and you shouldnt.

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He is saying that pushing w/ AT to get JJ-QQ to fold would be a bluff.

I think.

[shawny boy]

doesn't he reraise like A LOT preflop, if this is the session I think it was it seemeed like he was reraising almost every time he played a raised pot.

[bokla]

3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio.

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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this

can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned

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what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ

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no way is it a bluff if he has QQ or JJ. Theres no chance of you folding a better hand than QQ to this action, and you shouldnt.

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He is saying that pushing w/ AT to get JJ-QQ to fold would be a bluff.

I think.

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ah i think you are right that makes much more sense.

[KRANTZ]

yah what ansky said

[KRANTZ]

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3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio.

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i wonder if he'll go steady w you

[iRock]

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3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio.

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i wonder if he'll go steady w you

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unless you have the most insane image ever, 3 betting this flop is miserable. calling is really your only option given the board texture.

[BobboFitos]

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3 bet flop everytime you have a hand on this board. Dont torture yourself on turn/river against tay. If he's bluff checkraising he will bluff you optimally in remaining streets. Optimally meaning his (real hand/bluff) ratio being equal to your (call/fold) ratio.

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i wonder if he'll go steady w you

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unless you have the most insane image ever, 3 betting this flop is miserable. calling is really your only option given the board texture.

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what, if anything then, SHOULD we be 3betting this flop? I am guessing the "correct" answer is "nothing," but I don't think that's right. FWIW, people try to 3bet AK/AQ/AJ out of frustration alot. If we decided to bluff, is it better to 3bet or call the c/r and fire on the turn if able? (Or make a move over a turn bet, which seems really, really crazy?)

[Jay.]

i doubt he ever folds JJ QQ here and those feel like the worst in his range now.