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Old 04-20-2007, 04:55 PM
king_of_drafts king_of_drafts is offline
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

Board: Kh Jh 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.838% 33.84% 00.00% 3015 0.00 { AhQh }
Hand 1: 66.162% 66.16% 00.00% 5895 0.00 { KK, JJ, 99 }

If this is his straight-up range and he always calls, we are getting 2:3 on a 1:2 shot, not the worst thing in the world, and I really think given the description of villain and the way sub plays, villain could have air, or worse flush draw or something, or be willing to put it in with AK unlikely obv. I dunno, I guess calling isn't that bad but I don't think shoving is that huge a mistake.
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Old 04-20-2007, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

when u just call though what do u do on a brick turn becuz pot is now so big dudes turn bet will be all in
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

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when u just call though what do u do on a brick turn becuz pot is now so big dudes turn bet will be all in

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count pot odds because you're not any less way behind. I mean, he's minraising a PF 4 bettor on a KJ9 flop, he doesn't have AK and shoving is terrible.

also I think I c/something the flop because of this (probably C/R because I don't really want him to spite shove AK for some reason)
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:36 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

smells like a set, and i doubt he's gonna fold it. he might lay down 99, but i wouldnt bet on it.

so yea, call and hit your outs and stack him on the turn, since he's probably not laying down it even when you get there.
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

getting it in on this flop is gross so uh..call. also i like the previous suggestion of c/c in this spot.
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

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call

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why not reraise?

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way behind.

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are you serious?

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if all the money goes in, you are way behind.

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I'm not saying I like a push, I'm saying it's almost literally impossible to be way behind here.
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Old 04-20-2007, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

this is a UB hand.... no one ever has anything on UB. I definitely shove.
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Old 04-20-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

min 3 bet?
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Old 04-20-2007, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

to those suggesting call:

what line is best to get money out of villain on a turn card that hits us? i get the impression that just calling his minraise and checking that turn, villain will often check behind and may only call one more decent bet on either the turn or river, likewise with a ten as it puts a four-straight out there.
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Old 04-20-2007, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 deep 4bet pot big draw

reraise here and get it all in, with all the fold equity we have on top of our garunteed out how can this be a call you [censored] fish
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