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Old 12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs.

If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over.

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This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.

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Going into the season most teams know that if they lose even once that theres a chance they won't get a title shot. Most teams fully expect that if they lose twice that they'll have no title shot. Therefore, I refuse to feel bad for those teams.

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You do realize that entire point changes under a tournament situation, right?
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
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Clark, stop saying LSU/UGA. A close win won't let LSU jump 3 spots. It will be LSU v. Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl.

And Hawaii just knows how to win.

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Wait til the ESPN hype machine kicks up. The same thing got Texas in over Cal a few years ago. Georgia's spot is far from safe. Remember, these people have voted LSU #1 twice. Voters love that team, and the "UGA didn't even win their division" hype could get them.

I don't even have an opinion. I do know that both teams would beat the snot out of the Rainbows.

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Did June Jones not give you a reach around one night or something? Your hate for the WARRIORS is really surprising, considering how awful you think they are. If they really were as bad as you say, you'd think you wouldn't have to validate your own insecurity.
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs.

If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over.

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This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.

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Going into the season most teams know that if they lose even once that theres a chance they won't get a title shot. Most teams fully expect that if they lose twice that they'll have no title shot. Therefore, I refuse to feel bad for those teams.

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I agree with this. I also laugh at the people that say "well...the number 2 team in X conference is most likely better than the number 1 team in Y conference." Whatever, win your damn conference and then there isn't a [censored] question. The point of a playoff system isn't to give every "good" team a title shot every year, it's to make sure that every team that has earned a shot, gets it. LSU won the SEC, they deserve a title shot, tOSU won the Big Ten, they deserve a title shot, Oklahoma won the Big 12, they deserve a title shot. If a playoff system gave Hawaii a title shot and Missouri starts whining cuz they think they are better than Hawaii, [censored] YOU! YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A TITLE SHOT IN THE BCS ANYHOW SO JUST WIN YOUR CONFERENCE! AND YOU GET TITLE SHOT! Its a [censored] simple solution.
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
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What it showed me is that they battled back from their own mistakes and STILL racked up tons of yards in the air

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You seem infatuated with this. I assume you are duly impressed with Tom Brady's assault on the record books this year?
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
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Clark, stop saying LSU/UGA. A close win won't let LSU jump 3 spots. It will be LSU v. Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl.

And Hawaii just knows how to win.

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LSU in the national title for sure
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:02 AM
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Do you know how many top 50 sagarin teams they've beaten? 1, Boise State. That schedule is a joke, don't try and act like it isn't.

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I'm not saying its not easier than the SEC, but Ohio State is going to probably get into the damn title game out of the Big Ten playing teams like Kent State, Akron, and Youngstown State as their out of conference schedule. While those guys get free wins, Hawaii is out there trying to get the big guys to play them, and they refuse.

You can't blame Hawaii for the conference the NCAA put them in.
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:03 AM
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Clark, why do you hate Hawaii? This is the third time I've asked you this, and you never answer. You keep calling them the Rainbows in a mocking way, despite several people pointing out thats no longer they're name. Why are you doing this?
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:03 AM
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Did June Jones not give you a reach around one night or something

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No, but it's pretty apparent he *did* give you one at some point.
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:04 AM
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What it showed me is that they battled back from their own mistakes and STILL racked up tons of yards in the air

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You seem infatuated with this. I assume you are duly impressed with Tom Brady's assault on the record books this year?

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Are you ever going to make an actual point, or is being an insufferable assclown what made you the "2 plus 2 legend" you are today?

I said what the game showed me, with, you know, support. You keep calling them the Rainbows and I can't figure out what they ever did to you.

If I remember, you're from Illinois, and it must suck to have such a crap football team most years. Trust me, I'm from Bloomington, Indiana, I know. But you have abandoned all logic and turned into a 5-year-old tonight.
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Old 12-02-2007, 05:05 AM
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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs.

If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over.

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This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.

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right

in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title

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I'm not saying a playoff system is perfect, no system is. But is a million times better than the trainwreck that exists now. I would much rather have a slightly flawed system where teams could fight it out on the field than a [censored] system based on popular opinion.

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Well, I just don't think it's a playoff is a "more perfect" system. In general, the difference between the #12 team and the #8 team is less than the difference between #2 and #3 (at least imo, I'm open to arguments that's not true). With the amount of variance in college football, any top 8 team can win the tournament. So a tournament just adds more selection bias and, to at least a small extent, cheapens regular season performance.

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Well, according to this forum, the #8 team (USC) is light years ahead of the #12 team (Hawaii). As of last week's BCS standings, #2 WV and #3 OSU are pretty close. What about when Auburn went undefeated in the SEC and was #3, missed out on the championship game where USC smoked Oklahoma. I think a #3 team has a much more valid argument in making the championship game than some 3 loss team does for the 8th seed in a playoff, especially when #2 and #3 have equal records and similar SOS.

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I'm pretty sure my point isn't invalidated by cherry picking the biggest dichotomy ever between 8 and 12, and the smallest ever between 2 and 3.
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