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Old 09-24-2007, 07:45 AM
Danimal 3000 Danimal 3000 is offline
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Default 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $32.85
BB: $15.00
UTG: $23.70
MP: $41.35
Hero (CO): $26.50
BTN: $26.50

Reads: <font color="blue">villain is 29/9/1.1</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.85</font>, Hero calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.05) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.75</font>, MP calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.55) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.25</font>, MP calls $3.25

River: ($12.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero ...</font>

so....Is this a spot to value bet? lots of worse hands are out there that could call, but I'm opening myself up to a bluff/value reraise that I really shouldn't call..
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:00 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

He could have 88-TT, KJ, JQ, AK or AQ of spades

1. I don't like your preflop call
2. Bet more on turn make it $4,50
3. River bet $7,5-$8 would be fine
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

Personally I don't like calling PF w/ AJ, i prefer a 3bet.

As played I would value bet about $7 here. I know how you feel when you go "but he might raise me and then I'll have to fold instead of seeing a cheap showdown," Becasue I used to be/still am the same way. In the long run you are ahead of a lot more than what beats you.

I think a set would have raised you somewhere, no plausible 2 pair here, and 89 or 4x is unlikely. However, theres tones of hands w/ a J that will still just call.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:39 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

if you don't have much steal equity (and you might not have), i think folding preflop is fine - anyone agree?
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:02 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

with those stats, calling here in Position is better than raising or folding.

anyways. Fire this river. What hand that beats you hasn't made a bet yet? Ya he is very passive, but he is also loose. Fire the river. 1/2 pot and you will get looked up by a pocketpair often enough.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

I call pf, at least vs most villains, especially with AJs which would bring up the same situation anyways.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

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if you don't have much steal equity (and you might not have), i think folding preflop is fine - anyone agree?

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Versus a 10 % range consisting of 66+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AJo+,KQo you are 42 % to win the hand according to pokerstove. Against a passive opponent in position this is a definite call. I don't like 3-betting here, you are only getting called by hands that dominate you.
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

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if you don't have much steal equity (and you might not have), i think folding preflop is fine - anyone agree?

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Versus a 10 % range consisting of 66+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AJo+,KQo you are 42 % to win the hand according to pokerstove. Against a passive opponent in position this is a definite call. I don't like 3-betting here, you are only getting called by hands that dominate you.

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good work. his range is prolly more like 22+, AT+, KJ+ but that's fine, this is a call in position.
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:26 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

a) I'm a nit
b) I fold preflop...the fact that you're x% against his raising range is NOT the point
c) I check behind alot on the turn here, but if I'm betting the turn I might fire off a super thin valuebet of 7 here, hoping to get called by KJ. Note that this is superthin and I wouldn't do it against most opponents, but this guy seems like he may call. I might just check though
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: 25NL, TPTK, 2+2 plz teach me how to valuebet

turn $3.8-$4
river $7-$8
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