NL re-raise rule

ChuckyB · #1 09-13-2007, 04:33 AM

It got boned at our casino tonight. 1/2 NL. Dude leads for $40, MP goes all-in for $77, CO calls $77, Dude re-raises to $150, CO goes WTF?!?!

Floor rules that since the raise was more than half the original bet, Dude is allowed to re-raise.

Ai yi yi.

Anyway...I was trying to figure out the origin/purpose of this rule in NL. Is it to prevent collusion?

parisron · #2 09-13-2007, 05:36 AM

in no limit it has to be a raise for the full min. raise on a all in, in order to reopen the raising to the bettor. in limit half a raise will reopen.

Woolygimp · #3 09-13-2007, 06:34 AM

$40 open raises at 1/2 NL?

That's like opening for $200 in 5/10.

cute...lol

SellingtheDrama · #4 09-13-2007, 08:39 AM

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$40 open raises at 1/2 NL?

That's like opening for $200 in 5/10.

cute...lol

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Which I have actually seen...

Woolygimp · #5 09-13-2007, 08:53 AM

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$40 open raises at 1/2 NL?

That's like opening for $200 in 5/10.

cute...lol

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Which I have actually seen...

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and it's cute everytime a donk does this, they flip over AA and say, :i'd rather win a small pot with aces than lose a big one...

corsakh · #6 09-13-2007, 09:25 AM

Floor is correct, half the size of the original raise constitutes a new raise. In some places though only the full size counts, its a matter of house rules.

Mike Gallo · #7 09-13-2007, 09:31 AM

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$40 open raises at 1/2 NL?

That's like opening for $200 in 5/10.

cute...lol

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Which I have actually seen...

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RR · #8 09-13-2007, 10:28 AM

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Floor is correct, half the size of the original raise constitutes a new raise. In some places though only the full size counts, its a matter of house rules.

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The floor is correct in places that don't understand poker. I would say in at least 50% of the rooms that allow this half bet to reopen action they actually have copied a rules from some place that says it is a full bet and they just don't realize that limit and NL are different games.

AngusThermopyle · #9 09-13-2007, 10:36 AM

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The floor is correct in places that don't understand poker.

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Am I the only one who thinks this oft repeated mantra by RR comes across as arrogant and condescending?

Magicmanu · #10 09-13-2007, 11:22 AM

The floor is incorrect (though, of course, house rules obtain).

I don't know about arrogant and condescending, but RR is right. The half-bet rule applies to limit poker, not big bet poker.

I think the following is from and old version of Mike Caro's rules:

Suppose we have players A, B, and C in a game where the blinds are $5-10. Player A opens with a raise to $50 total chips (he matches the $10 blinds and raises by $40). Player B reraises all in for a total of $70 total chips (he calls the bet of $50 plus raises $20 more). Player C cold calls the $70. Player A can not reraise since Player B did not put in a legal raise. Player B raised by only $20 when he needed to match a raise of $40. Note that Player C could have raised if he desired, since he had not yet acted in response to the original bet.

Now let us consider an example of when player A could reraise. Again we have players A, B, and C with the blinds at $5-10. Player A raises to a total of $40 chips (he matches the blind of $10 and raises by $30). Player B pushes all in with $70 (calls the $40 and raises by $30). Player C then cold calls. Player A can reraise as much as he wants because Player B has made a legal raise. Player B has matched the original raise amount of $30.