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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
Muck your hand, say you had 98 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Enjoy the tilt.
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
i like leading sets just as much as the next guy...but more so in raised pots or 3-bet pots. in 4-bet pots when you are 99% sure the guy has a big pair which you will get a bet from juts check and let him hang himself, usually c/r ai will work here because some ppl feel commited after making the c-bet, and if not u still get that $ anyways. i don't exactly hate the way you played it but it shoulda been crystal clear he was going to bet on the flop.
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
Judging by the responses, it seems I did indeed blow it (pretty badly).
But what would you normally do here with KK or A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? I would lead the flop in both cases, and that's why I led here. I am not arguing that the lead bet was correct. It is possible that you should check with JJ and lead with KK. In most instances you wouldn't want to be "readable" through betting patterns, but in this instance I probably could have checked and easily won a big pot. But again, wouldn't you lead with KK? How about A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? |
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
Do you have any reason to think he wouldn't bet the flop if checked to?
The seems like such an optimal spot for a c/r. |
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
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Do you have any reason to think he wouldn't bet the flop if checked to? [/ QUOTE ] Nah, he would probably always bet here, which is why I blew it. [ QUOTE ] The seems like such an optimal spot for a c/r. [/ QUOTE ] I thought that a c/r would give away the strength of my hand. I didnt't think he could fold to one bet. Of course, it turns out this was all wrong. Thanks for all of the responses. I don't play live much, and I think I learned something from this hand, as well as from the advice I have received here. |
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
good thread
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
I should also mention that I don't think I really gave off a tell.
What happened was, during the next hand he said "I want my cards back. I changed my mind. I call. You didn't have it". He was really regretting laying it down. I said, "Nah, I had top set. Good fold. You shouldn't have shown your cards with action to follow though". At this point, his demeanor totally changed. He became really happy, hinted he spotted a tell, and also would not admit that showing his cards there was bad. He said he could still have pushed all-in. I tried to explain that showing his cards would make my decision to call or fold really easy. He wasn't having it though, and no one could convince him he should not have opened his cards unless he was definitely folding. Also, people I had been at the table with the whole time had thought he made a terrible fold. |
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
I haven't read all the responses, so I hope I'm not repeating anyone here.
I think you should check/call this flop. Live poker is far more about laydowns than online poker. Do you see this fold online at 5/10 or 10/20 NL? No, not often, and only from the very best players. In live poker, however, folding in spots like this is not uncommon. Tight, sure, but not unheard of. I'm a loose player, but I've folded AA to one bet in live play more than a handful of times. So yes, you blew it. One other bit of advice I'd give is a reverse physical tell. It seems stupid, but a very wise, winning player told me this once and I've used it several times to induce a call. All you do is, when he's asking you questions, don't look at him, but swallow lightly and clench your jaw slightly when you know he's looking. Then resume your stone face. They often read it wrong. |
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
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What happened was, during the next hand he said "I want my cards back. I changed my mind. I call. You didn't have it". He was really regretting laying it down. I said, "Nah, I had top set. Good fold..." At this point, his demeanor totally changed. He became really happy... Also, people I had been at the table with the whole time had thought he made a terrible fold. [/ QUOTE ] This is where you REALLY blew it. |
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Re: Did I blow this??? 5-10 live, Wynn
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[ QUOTE ] What happened was, during the next hand he said "I want my cards back. I changed my mind. I call. You didn't have it". He was really regretting laying it down. I said, "Nah, I had top set. Good fold..." At this point, his demeanor totally changed. He became really happy... Also, people I had been at the table with the whole time had thought he made a terrible fold. [/ QUOTE ] This is where you REALLY blew it. [/ QUOTE ] let the man continue to second guess himself for god's sake |
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