Borgata $10k pwned or play poor; overpair fold on turn

[MaverickUSC]

So, Bryan Sumner . My owned my face.

My image is tight/average, but have also been extremely card dead. I had just doubled and accumulated up to 58k, average is 75k (that bad), and at 6/12/100 I open for 4500 in the hijack with KK.

Fold to BB (Sumner) who calls. Flop J76 two spades.

Check, bet 8k, call. Read: he was never thinking of folding - it was call or raise for him.

turn Jx. Check, bet 16k leaving 26k behind, he ships, timing is all perfect no reads of weakness, I muck.

I was offered a little over 3:1 pot odds. I couldn't think of a time ever when I was good 25% of the time there.

He showed me 88.

NH you owned me or nh you maniac?

Devo

[betgo]

I would check behind here and reevaluate on the river.

[mastr]

I agree with betgo here but would prob fold given that you bet... although even then I'm not sure

[Beachman42]

What was his stack size at the start of the hand?

[betgo]

Incidently, the guy with 8s wasn't making a move on you. You raised from late position. You could have a lot of hands other than Jx and 66-AA. He thinks his 8s are probably good, and with so much in the pot, there is no point in flat calling and letting you draw to 5 outs or more if you have a straight draw. He hopes to sometimes fold a higher pp, but he doesn't put you on kings.

I would check behind, and as played snap call the push, because that's the way I play.

[hamsamich]

Maverick,
I don't understand the play here on the turn. If we are not calling a push what is the bet size on the turn trying to accomplish? I also would like to know what his stack size was.

[gobboboy]

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Incidently, the guy with 8s wasn't making a move on you. You raised from late position. You could have a lot of hands other than Jx and 66-AA. He thinks his 8s are probably good, and with so much in the pot, there is no point in flat calling and letting you draw to 5 outs or more if you have a straight draw. He hopes to sometimes fold a higher pp, but he doesn't put you on kings.

I would check behind, and as played snap call the push, because that's the way I play.

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If he's trying to sometimes get a better hand to fold and doesn't expect to be called by worse that's called bluffing.

I don't see why you would bet the turn unless you're calling a shove. Check behind and call any river or bet/call on the turn.

[Eagles]

If you bet the turn you need to call a shove.

[PhatPots]

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If you bet the turn you need to call a shove.

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[eBo]

Regardless of results, I do not fold this on turn. There's too many draws for him to have.