Can someone educate me on anarchism?

[Borodog]

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Still would be curious if anyone has thoughts on this:
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What form of anarchism do "typical" anarchist kids subscribe to? Like the kids who graffiti (A) signs and protest at free trade conventions?

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They don't generally adhere to any coherent political philosophy in my experience. They just like to be cool and break other people's stuff.

[Zygote]

general rebellion.

[Hey_Porter]

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I think the point was that he said "rules", when Anarchy literally does not rule.



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Indeed. I thought it was funny. Keep on keepin on.

[Bill Haywood]

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how would the teacher respond if the student said, "anarchism/full privatization is the most competent, moral, technologically efficient, and inevitable structure imaginable."?

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No it doesn't.

[lehighguy]

"What are you rebelling against Johny?"

Johny: "What do you got?"

[lehighguy]

A real study of anarchism requires a great deal of study into logic, economics, and philosophy.

95% of the "anarchist" you meet don't know what they believe in. Teenage angst.

Also, sometimes you'll come accross a "anarcho-socialist". These people are not anarchists. Rather, they are socialist that realize socialism doesn't work but aren't ready to admit it yet.

[Borodog]

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Also, sometimes you'll come accross a "anarcho-socialist". These people are not anarchists. Rather, they are socialist that realize socialism doesn't work but aren't ready to admit it yet.

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Socialism does work, in small, tribal, stone age socieities where social monitoring and pressure can overcome the incentive problem and where economic calculation is unnecessary.

[zasterguava]

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A real study of anarchism requires a great deal of study into logic, economics, and philosophy.

95% of the "anarchist" you meet don't know what they believe in. Teenage angst.

Also, sometimes you'll come accross a "anarcho-socialist". These people are not anarchists. Rather, they are socialist that realize socialism doesn't work but aren't ready to admit it yet.

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Firstly, one can dismiss this as absolute ignorant (or purposely misleading) nonsense. Almost every voice of anarchism in history has professed to some sort of socialist position. Bakunin was a libertarian-socialist, Goldman gave numerous speeches on behalf of the libertarian socialist movement, Proudhon was a socialist, Kropotkin was part of a socialist movement... please ignore anyone who dismisses these writings to suit their own warped reality of anarchism. Anarcho- capitalism/ right wing libertarianism philosophis are almost entirely unique to America.

Man, a guy comes on and asks about anarchism and all he gets in response is some filtered close-minded ACist diatribe. One could argue ACism is not 'real' anarchism as it proposes an authoratarian doctrinal system- something anarchism is supposed to oppose. But hey, I have mantained on these forums an open-mind and interest in others ideas. Maybe it's just teen angst...

[ALawPoker]

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Almost every voice of anarchism in history has professed to some sort of socialist position.

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The O'RLY owl wishes he could be here, but he had less ridiculous claims to attend to.

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Bakunin was a libertarian-socialist, Goldman gave numerous speeches on behalf of the libertarian socialist movement, Proudhon was a socialist, Kropotkin was part of a socialist movement...

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Four!

If I dig up 5 names of Anarcho-Capitalists then have I rebutted you?

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please ignore anyone who dismisses these writings to suit their own warped reality of anarchism.

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So if somebody bothers to write some argument, the argument should not be disregarded just because he took the time to write it?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe we dismiss certain arguments based on what we perceive their merit to be? Some of us actually evaluate what is being said, and do not just assume that since someone stated the position that zasterguava approves of that it must be worthwhile.

If you'd like to explain *why* these writings should make us question AC, feel free.

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Anarcho- capitalism/ right wing libertarianism philosophis are almost entirely unique to America.

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Well first of all this is wrong; or at least, grossly exaggerated. Grossly exaggerated though is maybe the closest you've come so far to saying something right. So props to that. But I'm confused what your point would be here anyways. You observe that there are proportionally more principled capitalists in the Western country that already has the least market restriction? Just felt like pointing that out? Or in your mind do demographics somehow discredit the strength of arguments?

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Man, a guy comes on and asks about anarchism and all he gets in response is some filtered close-minded ACist diatribe. One could argue ACism is not 'real' anarchism as it proposes an authoratarian doctrinal system- something anarchism is supposed to oppose.

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You're just making a fool of yourself now. For starters, OP specifically asked about AC. The only one being close-minded here is you, who is aimlessly attacking positions that someone specifically asked about and others attempted to explain.

One *could* argue a lot of things. But the tricky part about arguing things is that you need logical substance behind your claims. (Or at least, that's how most people see it. You have a neat little idea though that you can just say things, and they become true because you said them. It's pretty crafty.)

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But hey, I have mantained on these forums an open-mind and interest in others ideas.

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It's pretty amazing that you actually think that; let alone say it out loud.

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Maybe it's just teen angst...

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Maybe. But even teen angst hits the nail on the head once in a while.

[zasterguava]

Thanks for your reply. You enfuriated me whilst also giving me a chuckle. Well done on that.

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The O'RLY owl wishes he could be here, but he had less ridiculous claims to attend to.

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The anarchist tradition has unilaterally pertained to a socialist position. The 'classic' writers I mentioned are echoed by all serious modern anarchists including ACists (yes I have read from ACist sources too).

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If I dig up 5 names of Anarcho-Capitalists then have I rebutted you?

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No. But you would struggle to name a single anarchist thinker whom proposes capitalism and free markets who has gained the notoriety and respect of the forementioned anarchists.

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If you'd like to explain *why* these writings should make us question AC, feel free.

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I should hope they would challenge your opinion. It is the purpose of much of their work afterall. I have certainly found some of the more coherent and thought out responses on this forum to have challenged my view in instances.
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Some of us actually evaluate what is being said, and do not just assume that since someone stated the position that zasterguava approves of that it must be worthwhile.


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So allow the OP to evaluate and not restrict his/her learning to ACist ideas by dismissing the forefathers of anarchism as teenage angst victims?

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Well first of all this is wrong; or at least, grossly exaggerated.

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It is not wrong or grossly exaggerated... It's fact and it would be no depriment to any ACist to acknowledge that.

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For starters, OP specifically asked about AC. The only one being close-minded here is you, who is aimlessly attacking positions that someone specifically asked about and others attempted to explain.

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It is evident that the OP is extremely ignorant of anarchism as demonstrated by his/her blurring between distinctions between ACism and actual anarchism. One can suppose a thread with the title "Can someone educate me on anarchism?" would yield some responses about its forefathers, traditions and history and not only revisionist opinion dismissing everything else.

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It's pretty amazing that you actually think that; let alone say it out loud.

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I don't suppose you have gone through all my posts but I have shown a lot of interest in ACism and if anyone asked me about anarchism I would be sure not to be completely dismissive or censory concerning ACism (as you all have demonstrated towards the main branches of anarchism).