$200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?

[Mike MacIntosh]

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On the flop, I suggest betting more because I think your fold equity is slightly higher if you raise ~$10 more, it looks stronger, this is what you want when you have air in a big pot.

However, if your read says he will fold for less, by all means bet less.

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STatements like this put me on tilt.

We don't WANT fold equity. Fold equity!? Vs. what? A Queen?

Ya, right, GL w/that.

You want villain to CALL if you bet this flop. Otherwise, betting is retarded.

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Assuming you c/c flop for 30ish, what is your plan for the rest of the hand assuming no A/K shows. Are you willing to play a big pot unimproved readless here or would you simply give villain's range credit and fold to a bet on the turn?

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Probably c/f the turn. Depends on reads, flow, etc. An A or K on the turn doesn't matter much, tbh, because I think AK takes a free card here a lot.

In my experience, the flop checks through here a lot. Then I bet the turn 2/3 pot, and a hand like 99 calls. Then the river goes check/check (which makes me think, by the way, that I am missing some river value in hands like this, but meh, sometimes it goes check-check and he shows QJ).

Against some villains I WILL bet here, but not because I want them to fold. If I bet here, it's purely for value.

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Do you ever bet here for metagame considerations. If so could you give an example.

BTW, great stuff bilbo. Sometimes you do not like to show it, but you truly do have a great understanding of the game.

[tufat23]

example:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post9427802


although people didnt like it cos it was a little deep


edit: maybe not the best example, but it reminded me of this hand

[Hince]

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On the flop, I suggest betting more because I think your fold equity is slightly higher if you raise ~$10 more, it looks stronger, this is what you want when you have air in a big pot.

However, if your read says he will fold for less, by all means bet less.

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STatements like this put me on tilt.

We don't WANT fold equity. Fold equity!? Vs. what? A Queen?

Ya, right, GL w/that.

You want villain to CALL if you bet this flop. Otherwise, betting is retarded.

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I was thinking this was another hand when I posted it. For some reason I was thinking we wiffed with AK...

[Sciolist]

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You ever play a 3 bet pot? if he is calling 22 he's calling 24 like you said... however he folds with the same frequency on the flop and we hit a hand with the exact same frequency regardless of what we bet.

If you don't understand the reason you are 3 betting, why are you doing it? We simply stand to win a bigger pot when we raise more. You are raising (in part) for value in this spot.

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What's this got to do with raising more oop than ip? That's what I took issue with, but thank you for being condescending...

[NoahSD]

You can't post this hand without reads.

if it's readless, this is an easy check/call.

[Sciolist]

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You can't post this hand without reads.

if it's readless, this is an easy check/call.

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Fair enough. What about on the turn? check/fold?

This is the kind of board that I cbet in regular raised pots, so I just carry over the same kind of thinking. Like I say: Leak.

[soon2b]

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I usually make it a bit bigger preflop say 25, cuz we're out of position and we won't let him in cheap.
I also tend to bet 2/3 of the pot in RR pots.
But ye fold when he repops you.

Any reads?

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Not one.

I don't like the idea of three betting more when OOP. It inflates the pot but it doesn't increase our fold equity in the slightest. Nobody's going to call $22 but fold to $24.


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We're not only betting for FE we're also betting for value.
It's so that he will make a larger mistake if he decides to call with a low pp, or any other hand that we will have dominated.

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thank you, i dont have to explain it now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Sciolist]

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I usually make it a bit bigger preflop say 25, cuz we're out of position and we won't let him in cheap.
I also tend to bet 2/3 of the pot in RR pots.
But ye fold when he repops you.

Any reads?

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Not one.

I don't like the idea of three betting more when OOP. It inflates the pot but it doesn't increase our fold equity in the slightest. Nobody's going to call $22 but fold to $24.


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We're not only betting for FE we're also betting for value.
It's so that he will make a larger mistake if he decides to call with a low pp, or any other hand that we will have dominated.

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thank you, i dont have to explain it now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Why do we want to do this OOP but not IP?

[Mothercanuck]

to me it looks like hes got a pair between 4-10 and doesn't think u got taht Q. lol

[Michaelson]

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I usually make it a bit bigger preflop say 25, cuz we're out of position and we won't let him in cheap.
I also tend to bet 2/3 of the pot in RR pots.
But ye fold when he repops you.

Any reads?

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Not one.

I don't like the idea of three betting more when OOP. It inflates the pot but it doesn't increase our fold equity in the slightest. Nobody's going to call $22 but fold to $24.


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We're not only betting for FE we're also betting for value.
It's so that he will make a larger mistake if he decides to call with a low pp, or any other hand that we will have dominated.

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thank you, i dont have to explain it now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Why do we want to do this OOP but not IP?

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So that he has to pay to put us in a spot like this. This hand plays much easier postflop with position.