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#11
07-30-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
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[ QUOTE ] I usually make it a bit bigger preflop say 25, cuz we're out of position and we won't let him in cheap. I also tend to bet 2/3 of the pot in RR pots. But ye fold when he repops you. Any reads? [/ QUOTE ] Not one. I don't like the idea of three betting more when OOP. It inflates the pot but it doesn't increase our fold equity in the slightest. Nobody's going to call $22 but fold to $24. [/ QUOTE ] We're not only betting for FE we're also betting for value. It's so that he will make a larger mistake if he decides to call with a low pp, or any other hand that we will have dominated. 
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#12
07-30-2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
3-bet a bit more.
Check the flop. Bluffing is silly. No one folds a Queen or KK+, and you crush everything else. Since you have no reads you can't assume he'll call with lower-pps, but even if you did, your plan of c/fing later streets means that this is irrelevant, because plenty of people will bluff you on all kinds of cards if you check the turn and the river.
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#13
07-30-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
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I don't like the idea of three betting more when OOP. It inflates the pot but it doesn't increase our fold equity in the slightest. Nobody's going to call $22 but fold to $24. The cbet size is because I don't have to worry much about implied odds, so there's no need to charge him to play. If I cbet 3/4 pot, I am asking people to setmine me... [/ QUOTE ] You ever play a 3 bet pot? if he is calling 22 he's calling 24 like you said... however he folds with the same frequency on the flop and we hit a hand with the exact same frequency regardless of what we bet. If you don't understand the reason you are 3 betting, why are you doing it? We simply stand to win a bigger pot when we raise more. You are raising (in part) for value in this spot. On the flop, I suggest betting more because I think your fold equity is slightly higher if you raise ~$10 more, it looks stronger, this is what you want when you have air in a big pot. However, if your read says he will fold for less, by all means bet less.
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#14
07-30-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
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On the flop, I suggest betting more because I think your fold equity is slightly higher if you raise ~$10 more, it looks stronger, this is what you want when you have air in a big pot. However, if your read says he will fold for less, by all means bet less. [/ QUOTE ] STatements like this put me on tilt. We don't WANT fold equity. Fold equity!? Vs. what? A Queen? Ya, right, GL w/that. You want villain to CALL if you bet this flop. Otherwise, betting is retarded.
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#15
07-30-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
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What draws? [/ QUOTE ] hands like Ax/Kx of hearts that are like oh [censored], i have a fd + an overcard-- time to raise.
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#17
07-30-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
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[ QUOTE ] On the flop, I suggest betting more because I think your fold equity is slightly higher if you raise ~$10 more, it looks stronger, this is what you want when you have air in a big pot. However, if your read says he will fold for less, by all means bet less. [/ QUOTE ] STatements like this put me on tilt. We don't WANT fold equity. Fold equity!? Vs. what? A Queen? Ya, right, GL w/that. You want villain to CALL if you bet this flop. Otherwise, betting is retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Assuming you c/c flop for 30ish, what is your plan for the rest of the hand assuming no A/K shows. Are you willing to play a big pot unimproved readless here or would you simply give villain's range credit and fold to a bet on the turn?
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#18
07-30-2007, 05:39 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
oh i don't think it's that small considering villain opened from the button, but that's not really my point. in general i think the cbet is a little small and will result in lots of floaters/raises by hands that think they have lots of fe.
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#20
07-30-2007, 05:45 PM
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Re: $200 NL - I Suck at Three Bet Pots?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] On the flop, I suggest betting more because I think your fold equity is slightly higher if you raise ~$10 more, it looks stronger, this is what you want when you have air in a big pot. However, if your read says he will fold for less, by all means bet less. [/ QUOTE ] STatements like this put me on tilt. We don't WANT fold equity. Fold equity!? Vs. what? A Queen? Ya, right, GL w/that. You want villain to CALL if you bet this flop. Otherwise, betting is retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Assuming you c/c flop for 30ish, what is your plan for the rest of the hand assuming no A/K shows. Are you willing to play a big pot unimproved readless here or would you simply give villain's range credit and fold to a bet on the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Probably c/f the turn. Depends on reads, flow, etc. An A or K on the turn doesn't matter much, tbh, because I think AK takes a free card here a lot. In my experience, the flop checks through here a lot. Then I bet the turn 2/3 pot, and a hand like 99 calls. Then the river goes check/check (which makes me think, by the way, that I am missing some river value in hands like this, but meh, sometimes it goes check-check and he shows QJ). Against some villains I WILL bet here, but not because I want them to fold. If I bet here, it's purely for value.
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