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Old 11-09-2007, 02:32 PM
HustlerLA HustlerLA is offline
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Default Need help with 3bet pots

I am primarily a live cash game player and have been making the transition to online. The biggest area of difference besides overall aggression is 3bet pots. I think this is an area that I need to improve. In live games 3bets are ussually done with very narrow ranges no matter what position. This is such a broad area so I will start with one hand that I wasnt sure about and ask for help.

NO current history, just sat at table, but I do have 300 hands on villain and he runs at 24/21/9. I remember him being very aggressive but dont know much about his ranges.
2/4 NL Fulll Tilt--No HH

Folded around to Hero on BTN with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
opens to $14.
Villain raises from SB to $44.
------- With no history is this a standard fold? I felt like based on his stats ATs was marginal against his 3betting range of a BTN raiser and opted to call since ATs plays decently after the flop in position.
Hero calls.
Pot $92, Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain bets $61, Hero calls.
Pot $214, Turn is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain bets $170. Hero folds.

Is this a viable line? What would be better?
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: Need help with 3bet pots

just fold pf.

i'm not a fan of calling rr's with hands with reverse implied odds.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: Need help with 3bet pots

Preflops pretty bad. Like, really really bad.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: Need help with 3bet pots

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Folded around to Hero on BTN with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
opens to $14.
Villain raises from SB to $44.
------- With no history is this a standard fold?

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yes

flop and turn are played fine
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Need help with 3bet pots

thanks for the help
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Old 11-09-2007, 03:49 PM
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yeah wow dont fold this PF to a 24/21 guy if hes at all active with 3bets.

what the hell are you guys calling with?
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: Need help with 3bet pots

you played this fine. Fold pf is possible with the right reads. there is not a better way to play it post flop.
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:06 PM
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yeah wow dont fold this PF to a 24/21 guy if hes at all active with 3bets.

what the hell are you guys calling with?

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Given he doesnt feel comfortable post he should definitely fold pre. Even if he didn`t it would still be marginal but of course it`s not a bad call.
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:11 PM
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Preflops pretty bad. Like, really really bad.

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wtf it's not too bad although i'd prob fold.
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: Need help with 3bet pots

xorbie says:
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yeah wow dont fold this PF to a 24/21 guy if hes at all active with 3bets.

what the hell are you guys calling with?

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I really hate AT. I assume AK/AQ/AJ are a fair chunk of his range, A9 and below are not, so A flops dominate us horribly adn we aren't improving often with 5 outs. JJ+ obv also owns us. I would rather call with 45s than ATs.

I think we need an overall plan here against these types.
I think flat calling with sc's/ssc's as well as big hands like TT-AA/AK/AQ (and others obv)

Then we can push flops when our sc's/ssc's when it hits a draw (which he folds flop ALOT if he 3-bets wide) as well as push big hands so we have balance.

But then again, you are obv lifetimes ahead of me. Maybe you can play ATs in a 3-bet pot well enough post flop to make calling ok. I definitely can't.
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