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Old 11-02-2007, 08:45 PM
jfish jfish is offline
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Default 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

he is 24/21, 25wtsd, 47wwsf 5.28/4.69/2.82./2.20 AF over 40k hands. he really doesnt get out of line that much.

why is this bad? i think his calling range is way wider than his 3betting range. i think i am a dog to his 3bet range, but can still get more value by raising than calling his cbet.


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CUBLUFFIN (SB): $698.15
Hero (BB): $1,475
kmoneyk10 (UTG): $1,263.50
what a donk (BTN): $185

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">kmoneyk10 raises to $35</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $25

Flop: ($75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">kmoneyk10 bets $50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $175</font>, <font color="red">kmoneyk10 raises to $650</font>, Hero folds
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:11 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

I can't convince myself about the flop c/r here. I suppose he continues with KJ and other K+pair hands, but I can't see getting much value out of anything worse than AK, if we build the pot now.

I think I prefer a lead, but I don't know how often I expect my hand to be good if the money goes in.

Maybe just playing bluff catcher would be best.

So I guess I have a few problems with it:
1) He can represent a very very strong range here, while ours is much more limited. So he may put you on a bluff/semibluff, and he has a ton of leverage to "rebluff".
2) I think we get smooth called on the flop by the nuts and top two a lot, and sometimes by sets, which would leave you in a rough spot on the turn.
3) I think we fold out almost everything we beat, aside from a few hands that are drawing pretty live. (how many Kxs combos do you think he opens with? is he really gonna make a hero calldown with one pair on this board?)
bleh I'm rambling in this post, hopefully that makes sense.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

Jfish you're thinking is fine. Need more info/reads to know whether it's the best line though.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:37 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

I see dudes do this with JJ.....
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

i hate having hands pretty well exactly on the cusp of easy stackoff/easy fold. i think its the c/r thats our problem. yes it looks like the obvious play, but, i think it might not be the best one unless he's 3betting light here, or bluffing the turn too much if he calls flop and we check it to him.

and, like always, don't make a big move on somebody if you dont have reactions ready to his potential responses, unless the trouble responses are rare (though this time you might be off the hook, if you think his 3bet here is infrequent)
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

Looks fine to me
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

Edit: misread post
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

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I can't convince myself about the flop c/r here. I suppose he continues with KJ and other K+pair hands, but I can't see getting much value out of anything worse than AK, if we build the pot now.

I think I prefer a lead, but I don't know how often I expect my hand to be good if the money goes in.

Maybe just playing bluff catcher would be best.

So I guess I have a few problems with it:
1) He can represent a very very strong range here, while ours is much more limited. So he may put you on a bluff/semibluff, and he has a ton of leverage to "rebluff".
2) I think we get smooth called on the flop by the nuts and top two a lot, and sometimes by sets, which would leave you in a rough spot on the turn.
3) I think we fold out almost everything we beat, aside from a few hands that are drawing pretty live. (how many Kxs combos do you think he opens with? is he really gonna make a hero calldown with one pair on this board?)
bleh I'm rambling in this post, hopefully that makes sense.

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i like a lead also, but i dont see why are range is much more limited...i think you can CR flop with Aj also... J9 if hero always 3bet/folds AJ etc

the only hands we cant rep are KK.. JJ and TT are in our range but discounted, as is KQ and KT
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

this looks bad to me, rly bad
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Old 11-03-2007, 02:46 AM
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Default Re: 5/10 vs kmoney, explain something to me

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Looks fine to me

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