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Old 11-02-2007, 06:14 PM
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Default 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

villain here is 60/1/1 over 650 hands. We are 200bb deep. He is obviously terrible, and on the passive side (though he can bluff) and he doesn't fold to cbets very often so he can probably have a worse Ax hand here.

Blinds: $2/$4
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $26</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($60, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $44</font>, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($148, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $120</font>, Button calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($388, 2 players)
Hero________?

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villain is 38/22 over only 70 hands. Weird/bad fish. Stacks make this river spot pretty akward -- so bet or just c/f?

Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $416.00
CO: $159.10
Button: $329.95
Hero: $372.00
BB: $417.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $10</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $43</font>, 3 folds, Button calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($98, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($98, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $68</font>, Button calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($234, 2 players)
Hero _________? ($215 left in villain's stack)
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

hm i can see a bet of around 100 on hand 1 but i think c/f is prolly best...i dont really even see fish paying off on this river with the way the hand played out

I like a bet in two-prolly 135 ish (i may cf if u didnt have the A of spades)
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

Check/call first hand. I think a bet might even be good, but he will bluff-raise AND value-raise you on this river, and I would prefer to just let him fire one than out-guess myself in a huge pot.

I don't think a bet is good given that river in hand 2; he's not going to pay with as many worse hands now obviously. Check/[censored]
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

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hm i can see a bet of around 100 on hand 1 but i think c/f is prolly best...i dont really even see fish paying off on this river with the way the hand played out

I like a bet in two-prolly 135 ish (i may cf if u didnt have the A of spades)

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in hand 1, I figured even JJ-KK could be in his range. I doubt this guy can fold anything to a $100 bet, so that seemed better than c/f to me at the time. I'm still undecided though.

In hand 2, 135 seems like a bit much considering stacks, no? If he has a worse hand he wants to call with, it's going to be a weak pair pretty often, so doesn't it make more sense to bet smaller if we're going to bet at all?
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:40 PM
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Check/call first hand. I think a bet might even be good, but he will bluff-raise AND value-raise you on this river, and I would prefer to just let him fire one than out-guess myself in a huge pot.

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Tbh I'm not at all concerned about this guy turning any worse hands into a bluff here if I bet small. Also, I think that c/c must be the worst option against this type of player on this particular board. He's def calling alot more worse hands than he is betting, and there is like nothing a loose-passive is going to be bluffing when checked to.
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

c/c is def not good in either spot. better in 2 then 1, but still not good
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Old 11-02-2007, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

c/f the first as he is rarely betting worse

c/c or c/f the second, leaning towards c/c
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Old 11-03-2007, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

either c/f or shove on hand, c/c-ing is nasty. it's not like he's betting 9x there.

hand 2- ehhhh...shove?
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Old 11-03-2007, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: 400NL - two thin spots vs donks

hand one is easy block bet. $150, maybe $200. I'd def bet bigger on a safe card. He's a passive fish, he'll pay you off with whatever, and won't think to bluff with a made hand.

I think you can shove hand 2 for value
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Old 11-03-2007, 02:18 AM
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200 on hand 1, c/f hand 2
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