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Old 09-26-2007, 09:03 PM
BIG NIGE BIG NIGE is offline
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Default What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

This one is for the people with huge PT databases, hundreds of thousands of hands. I'm looking for a consensus on what hands people lose the most bets with. Seven deuce is the worst hand but obviously it doesn't lose the most money because people almost always fold it. I'm looking for the hand (or possibly group of hands) that consistently cost people the most money in no limit hold'em. Anything that people with large PT databases are kind enough to share would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

AJo
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

I have a hard time believing it is anything that people VPIP with. The winrates on [censored] like 23o would be -.125ptbb/hand, I really dont see how people can play so bad with stuff like AJo to approach that kind of rate.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:11 PM
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I have a hard time believing it is anything that people VPIP with. The winrates on [censored] like 23o would be -.125ptbb/hand, I really dont see how people can play so bad with stuff like AJo to approach that kind of rate.

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this might be true for a lot of winning players, but certainly not for losing players
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

Ummm...I think AJo was a joke. But yeah, the question in OP is pretty stupid I think cause it depends on your post flop skill and stuff.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

T9o is my biggest loser.
Second is AK, obv. i suck at coinflips.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

Obviously it's not going to be the same for every person. I'm just looking for an overall representation of the poker-playing population, if such a thing is possible. And I'm sure there will be hands that lose more than 72o or 32o because most players are losing players and it's not because they play 72o differently than the winning players.
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:27 PM
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I have a hard time believing it is anything that people VPIP with. The winrates on [censored] like 23o would be -.125ptbb/hand, I really dont see how people can play so bad with stuff like AJo to approach that kind of rate.

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this might be true for a lot of winning players, but certainly not for losing players

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I thought hundreds of thousands of hands implied winning player.

I guess he is talking about reef/fgators?
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:28 PM
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1. LOL, that was funny Imsa
2. while most players are loosing players most posters on this site are winning players so your logic doesnt hold BIG NICE
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:31 PM
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