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Old 11-03-2007, 09:46 PM
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Default Some akward turn spots

Hand #1:

This spot is pretty wierd given stack sizes. Not that it's relevant since I have him covered, but I just lost the previous hand and was unable to rebuy in time for the next hand. Villain here is a loosish player, likely bad. Loose passive numbers, probably around 35/5. If we bet we obv have to call a shove, which is a sucky spot when it happens since we're crushed a good amount but are getting too good of a price to fold. Checking the turn is also somewhat akward, particularly if he makes a bet of over half the pot.

What is your plan on the turn? If you bet, how much? If you check, how do you respond a 1/2 pot or 3/4 pot bet?

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $253.08
CO: $394
BTN: $177.28
SB: $797
BB: $824.86
Hero (UTG): $314

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $16, 2 folds

Flop: ($38) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30</font>, BTN calls $30

Turn: ($98) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???

Hand #2: Villain is 25/10 and seems to play decent. Other dude on flop was pretty bad fwiw.

If I bet I think it's definitely bet/fold vs this villain, since he really won't be shoving worse. Again, plan on the turn? If we check and he bets say half the pot or so, call and c/f the river? If he bets biggish I think I'd fold, but I'm not sure.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $493.66
BTN: $840.90
SB: $367.40
BB: $417.40
Hero (UTG): $495.20
MP: $360.20

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP calls $16, 3 folds, BB calls $12

Flop: ($50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $40</font>, MP calls $40, BB folds

Turn: ($130) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???

Hand #3: Villain is a loose passive type, about 40/10. Turn card is somewhat dirty, but bet/call is pretty standard I think? Just a little checkup.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (MP): $706.64
CO: $223.20
BTN: $416.10
SB: $209.59
BB: $454.20
UTG: $406

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO calls $16, 3 folds

Flop: ($38) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30</font>, CO calls $30

Turn: ($98) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: Some akward turn spots

1) c/c a small bet re-evalute rive.
really crap spot.

2)probably bet 100.

3)bet 70/call.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: Some akward turn spots

I would bet/fold all of them, sometimes inducing turn bluffs depending on the players, sometimes check calling or check folding rivers, depending on what draws got there and what the players are capable of doing after getting to the river.

Checking pretty much gives him an invitation to take the pot away from you, the AA hand could get tough, but given stack sizes, i think you're going to be pretty committed to calling a turn shove here.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:28 PM
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I probably just shove hand 1. He'll make some hero calls on you, I think, and lots of draws have tons of equity against you.

Hand two I'd bet/fold like $80 or $90 and check/decide most rivers.

Hand three, I'd bet/call. This guy will call you down with any piece probably, and if he shoves, at least you'll almost always have a lot of outs, here.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: Some akward turn spots

c/f or c/c 1 and 2 depending on how u feel
id prolly c/f 1 and c/c 2

id bet 65 and prolly FOLD to a raise in 3
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:53 PM
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id bet 65 and prolly FOLD to a raise in 3

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puke

we're getting 3:1 and have 12 outs vs most of his pushing range.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: Some akward turn spots

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id bet 65 and prolly FOLD to a raise in 3

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puke

we're getting 3:1 and have 12 outs vs most of his pushing range.

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if you were right then it wouldnt realyl matter but i dont think we have 12 outs at all, if he shoves he has KJ, QJ and sometimes KQ along with sets obvi

so you cant count all the TP as outs bc he will often hold some of them
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: Some akward turn spots

in 2 bb makes it less likely he raises clubs this guy probably wouldn't anyway, i'd bet.

3. EDIT: misread our hand. i'd still b/c, but im not thrilled when he shoves

1. yeah w/ jim, marginal spot. i'f im checking i'm folding vs this guy i think.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:04 PM
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id bet 65 and prolly FOLD to a raise in 3

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puke

we're getting 3:1 and have 12 outs vs most of his pushing range.

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if you were right then it wouldnt realyl matter but i dont think we have 12 outs at all, if he shoves he has KJ, QJ and sometimes KQ along with sets obvi

so you cant count all the TP as outs bc he will often hold some of them

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a) He has two pairs a LOT more often than sets
b) Sometimes we have the best hand. I'd say we have the best hand more often than he has a set, frankly.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:06 PM
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id bet 65 and prolly FOLD to a raise in 3

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puke

we're getting 3:1 and have 12 outs vs most of his pushing range.

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if you were right then it wouldnt realyl matter but i dont think we have 12 outs at all, if he shoves he has KJ, QJ and sometimes KQ along with sets obvi

so you cant count all the TP as outs bc he will often hold some of them

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a) He has two pairs a LOT more often than sets
b) Sometimes we have the best hand. I'd say we have the best hand more often than he has a set, frankly.

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i agree with what you said but i dont see how this leads you to conclude that we have 12 outs against any hand that is shoving for value here
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