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Old 09-27-2007, 05:55 AM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

your better than me though
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:03 AM
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T8s, gotten flush over flushed, straight < full, full < full (88Txx board vs TT) and flush < full with it a few times over a 150k sample.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

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No, ldo. 87s is my 6th biggest winner.

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And it couldn't possibly be an outlier, obv.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

500k database

86s -0.18ptbb/hand
Q9s -0.18
97s -0.17
93s -0.16
42s -0.15

all the worst hands are suited, looks like i overplay my flushdraws in unraised pots
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

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SCs ldo

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No, ldo. 87s is my 6th biggest winner.

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And it couldn't possibly be an outlier, obv.

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No it couldn't. Ur right. And also, if I might add, you seem very smart.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:04 AM
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looks like i overplay my flushdraws in unraised pots

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Ya, cause all the hands u mentioned are too weak to raise, so you just limp them, amirite?
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:10 AM
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fwiw 98s is my biggest loser. To put things in perspective, I have only stacked someone with it once in 250,000 hands. I have never stacked someone with my second biggest loser, 97s, despite the fact that since SuperSystem I have been convinced that this hand is the nuts....
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:13 AM
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fwiw 98s is my biggest loser. To put things in perspective, I have only stacked someone with it once in 250,000 hands. I have never stacked someone with my second biggest loser, 97s, despite the fact that since SuperSystem I have been convinced that this hand is the nuts....

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Maybe you just suck at playing hands with nines in them?
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

pokerroom.com used to have a spreadsheet with ev results across 100 million+ hands on their site, broken down by position. In the cutoff for example, the 10 most negative ev hands are:
84 s (worst)
97 s
A6
Q3 s
A3
94 s
85 s
J2 s
A4
73 s (10th worst)
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: What is the most -EV hand in no limit hold\'em?

Incidentally in the above example (from the cutoff) 84s is -0.15ev. According to the spreadsheet the most negative ev hands come from the BB and are:

J2 -0.43
J3 -0.43
94 -0.43
T2 -0.42
73 -0.42
Q2 -0.41
32 -0.41
83 -0.41
T3 -0.41
72 -0.41
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