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Old 11-14-2007, 02:21 AM
FoxwoodsFiend FoxwoodsFiend is offline
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Default Weird Hand on All Streets

I'm running at 24/17. I got my stack by getting it in w/oesfd vs set and winning and snapping off a big bluff w/AK on ace-high board and haven't been out of line.

Hero (UTG): $7,575
MP: $2,257
CO: $2,057
BTN: $2,072
SB: $1,652.46
BB: $4,140

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $70</font>, MP calls $70, CO folds, BTN calls $70, <font color="red">SB raises to $180</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $110, MP calls $110, BTN calls $110

SB is 30/7 over 63 hands. So the first question is: what should I do here? One very good poster claims fold cuz he always has KK/AA. Another says reraise call it off. I opted to call. The two people behind me who called are both 16/11ish players so I'm treading lightly in this hand.

Flop: ($740) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $220</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $440</font>, MP folds, BTN calls $440, SB folds

The plan was to fold to a cold push by either of the 16/11s and to get it in vs the preflop reraiser. Now the button coldcalls with the reraiser still to act and I start freaking out. What do you guys think of this line? I think the flop is the toughest spot by far in this hand.

Turn: ($1,840) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Well, he doesn't have 22. I think I'm still crushed. I check w/intention of folding. He checks back. Slowplay or am I good here?

River: ($1,840) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ...is lost

Check/fold? Shove? Bet 500? Check/call? What do you guys do here?

Comments on all streets appreciated.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:29 AM
EmpireMaker2 EmpireMaker2 is offline
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

I'd check or bet like 400
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:31 AM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

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I'd check or bet like 400

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Sweet. What do you think he calls 400 with? What do you think of flop play/preflop?
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

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One very good poster claims fold cuz he always has KK/AA

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Sweet. What do you think he calls 400 with? What do you think of flop play/preflop?

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If he always has AA/KK here why would we fold wouldn't we have incentive to call b/c we have position and stand to make a lot when we flop a set?

Our very good poster may have a point if 2 players didn't just call you UTG 3.5 BB opener, but 90% of the time those 2 are coming too.

I think preflop is fine in this spot unless one of the people that called you has a reputation of reraising in this spot.

Why min raise on the flop? Either define your hand as strong or get out.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:01 AM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

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Why min raise on the flop? Either define your hand as strong or get out.

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He's looking to get it in against preflop reraiser. Why would he want to define his hand as strong??
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:30 AM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

I call pre, I flat the flop and try to check it down maybe vbetting the riv if board comes clean. As played the minraise for a free showdown worked pretty well I'd just check behind.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

"He's looking to get it in against preflop reraiser. Why would he want to define his hand as strong??"

Betting this hand past the flop even if BTN folded would be thin.

If the BTN folded what do you think SB would call your min raise with?

When during this hand does it look like a good time to get it in vs the preflop reraiser?

You had the possibility of having the best hand on the flop before BTN over called you but now your almost completely dead.
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:03 AM
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Sweet. What do you think he calls 400 with? What do you think of flop play/preflop?

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QQ +
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:22 AM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

FWF this hand is so confusing.... a 30/7 came over the top of a UTG raise and 3 callers. How can you assume he has anything but AA or KK? (obv he didnt, but still) and on the flop... i dont see how this can be profitable at all. Sb can easily have you beat (and wont fold if he does). When the button cold calls on the flop, his check behind on the turn can still mean strength. He only needs 1 street to get it allin after the flop, so he can check behind a set. i think river is a c/f but i dont think id ever find myself in that spot in the first place
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:06 AM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

I would like someone to ignore FWF's analysis on the hand (trust me) and come up with a solid explantion as to how check/folding &gt; check/calling -it doesn't make sense.

Surely the call of the minraise coupled with the check back (lol pot control) necessitates a V.bet here some of the time.
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