QQ on ugly turn

jessie · #1 10-03-2007, 11:51 AM

Only one orbit with villain.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ??

I'm not giving credit for AA or KK, but I also don't think he's folding much.

Oink · #2 10-03-2007, 11:55 AM

I'd bet. Plenty of dras in his hand we dont want to hand out a free card to.

Also, a lot of villains will be donking this turn if they have Tx

danzasmack · #3 10-03-2007, 11:55 AM

bet/call down but i'd prob fold a diamond river.

KilgoreTrout · #4 10-03-2007, 11:58 AM

Why did you 3-bet the flop if you're not going to bet a safe turn card? If he has a T congratulations to him.

b/c turn, and I like the check through on the end if you can.

danzasmack · #5 10-03-2007, 12:00 PM

"and I like the check through on the end if you can"

what?

Stealthy · #6 10-03-2007, 12:22 PM

Surely betting the turn and river is standard here unless a diamond hits.

Absolution · #7 10-03-2007, 11:58 AM

Bet that turn. He could be overplaying a hand with the A or K of diamonds now. If he calls again you can check through the river.

jessie · #8 10-03-2007, 01:06 PM

I did bet.

Turn: (6.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Anybody do things differently?

mattnxtc · #9 10-03-2007, 01:24 PM

Hopefully he showed down like ak or jacks??

I think getting 11.75-1 on the river you have to call...but I dont think you beat all that much especially after his turn play.

detruncate · #10 10-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Pretty easy bet. Especially since I feel comfortable folding to a raise vs an unknown.

It's an obvious opportunity for Villain to semibluff a diamond or straight draw or turn a pair <T into a bluff/semibluff... but this is a strong line on this board and I don't think enough unknowns get super tricky or badly out of line to call this down without a read. Though I'm fine with a calldown absent a diamond if we've seen Villain come out of the gate firing.