how to play TT 2/4

[sebastien]

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players

no read on vilain just see him open raise but no showdown

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button caps, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

turn:K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls

river: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.


is it correct to calldown stuff like that?
i m feel so showdown monkey to play like that to be burst by overpaire.

another line or that be standard??

[TheHip41]

c/f the turn time.

you beat about 0 hands on the turn.


the river is lmao

[jstill]

yeah if u cant fold the turn cuz u hate folding at least ck fold the river dude

i give up on the turn, after the flop ur just hoping hes super spewing AQ AK (the flops even rainbow/ uncoordinated for his capping range so he cant be drawing) I dont think that happens hardly ever but i guess i peel 1 sb to turn the nuts and hopefully get 4 bets in on the turn when he 3bets AA KK vs my cr.

[aargh57]

Yeah, I think villain's screaming at you that he's got an overpair to your Tens of better. Even if he's an idiot and the type that will cap with low pp's his flop play is telling you that you're beat now. He's most likely got AK,KK, or AA, (99 and QQ are also possible but not very likely. In these spots I think we just have to do a little hand reading and I think this is a pretty easy one to read and know that you're WB. You have to give up on the turn now.

[jstill]

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He's most likely got AK,KK, or AA, (99 and QQ are also possible but not very likely.

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I dont really get why u said this about his range argghhh? AK more likely than QQ or 99? why arent those other two likely esp QQ or JJ.

I think the only thing that sucks here is that he could have a chop from time to time but thats not enough of his range to not ck fold the turn I think, and definitely not when he decides to vb the river

what would be the worst hand u guys would showdown here? how about if the turn and river are blanks?

[Kvacke]

c/f turn.

[detruncate]

Think about what the pf action is telling you.

UTG: I like my hand

Hero: Not as much as I like mine

BU: This is going to hurt you more than it hurts me fellas

Now the flop:

UTG: No paint. I have a pair or something and you guys always try to bluff me with AK

Hero: Sweet. No paint. I can maybe push out overs and most likely have UTG beat

BU: Happy day! I never get action with my big pocket pairs

or

BU: Meh. I can still take this down. I rule at bluffing. Who cares if both people have already shown aggression on 2 streets? Not me. Weak-ass bitches. They'll learn to fear my mad skillz.

So... which is more likely absent a read?

[KitCloudkicker]

so villain showed 22 and you scooped? LOL

[aargh57]

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He's most likely got AK,KK, or AA, (99 and QQ are also possible but not very likely.

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I dont really get why u said this about his range argghhh? AK more likely than QQ or 99? why arent those other two likely esp QQ or JJ.

I think the only thing that sucks here is that he could have a chop from time to time but thats not enough of his range to not ck fold the turn I think, and definitely not when he decides to vb the river

what would be the worst hand u guys would showdown here? how about if the turn and river are blanks?

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Well, you're correct that he's just as likely to have QQ or JJ as the other big pairs. I didn't think 99 was as likely just because not as many players at this limit cap with 99. I was thinking KK or AK was more likely because he bet again on the turn but he'd c-bet that in this situation regardless with QQ or JJ so you're right.

I don't know what the worst hand I SD with this on this board and the way it's played. I'm thinking that I still c/f this turn with JJ because there's a bunch more combo's that beat us than we have beat or chop with. However, with QQ I'm not as sure. Should we cap QQ and lead this turn and fold to a raise? I hate just calling the 3 bet and c/fing the turn but I also hate c/cing the turn.

I think that if the turn and river are blanks I probably call down with TT and up. Maybe this is wrong but I'll tell you exactly what my thinking is going to be at the table.

Flop "Oh crap he's prolly got a bigger pp or AK but the pot's definietly big enough to call"
Turn "ditto"
River "damn, he bet the river so he almost definitely does not have AK unless he's an idiot. Well I'll call, I hope he's an idiot."

[mvoss]

What hands do you think you beat here on the turn OP?