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11-19-2007, 06:43 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
more people saying "troll" and "ban" and providing no information or statistics of any kind
very impressive indeed. 
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#53
11-19-2007, 06:57 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1. There are already threads about this. 2. If you think that its just Harrison missing you are crazy. The Colts have also played without their #3WR Gonzalez and didn't have Dallas Clark for the the SD game (the game that is skewing this statical sample horribly). 3. Manning is playing behind a patchwork O-line. I don't pay very close attention to the Pats line, but I doubt very seriously that they have had anything like this rash of injuries. In the SD game the Colts had a guy at LT that was on the practice squad the week before. I seriously doubt that has ever happened before in the NFL. Guys don't come off the practice squad and protect a QBs blindside, it usually another line man moving over but the Colts were down 3 O-linemen and out of options. 4. There is a huge difference between having shoddy WRs that you've been practicing with since camp and having shoddy WRs that just started getting reps with the first team. [/ QUOTE ] Quoted the whole post since it's all true, but the fact that it's taken weeks for someone else to mention #4 tilts the [censored] out of me. More people should besides Colts' fans should be mentioning this. Cody [/ QUOTE ] did you know that moss didn't play preseason? not 1 game. here are his stats from the first game brady and moss played together: <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> REC YDS AVG LNG TD 9 183 20.3 51 1</pre><hr /> not everyone needs to play 3 years together to make it work [/ QUOTE ] you are a moron. no, not everyone needs 3 years together to make it work, but randy moss is the ultimate example of a receiver to whom you can just throw the ball up to. randall cunningham had a career revival with him. so yes when one of the best QBs of all time and possibly the greatest WR of all time hook up, they just MIGHT be successful on the other hand when you're playing with practice squad level players, it's all about timing because those guys aren't going to get open much. [/ QUOTE ] Yes Randy Moss did wonders in Oakland......... the fact of the matter is, Manning is not as good as we were once led to believe as nfl fans. At first he appeared to be a great nfl qb, but that was only when he was surrounded by pro-bowl weapons. Now that he's even missing a couple pro bowlers, he's playing like garbage. And he still has Reggie Wayne, Addai, and Dallas Clark for the most part. Unless he is surrounded by studs, Manning is mediocre at best. it's actually pretty sad. I feel cheated as an nfl fan but it's up to me to point out the truth... and this is it. [/ QUOTE ] It's kinda amazing. Without a top 5 WR all-time. He almost single handedly beat the best team all-time (of course he had help from a solid D and wonderful Addai play) this season. If not for a horrible 4th, they could have won the game. Amazing, now he's mediocre.
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#54
11-19-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1. There are already threads about this. 2. If you think that its just Harrison missing you are crazy. The Colts have also played without their #3WR Gonzalez and didn't have Dallas Clark for the the SD game (the game that is skewing this statical sample horribly). 3. Manning is playing behind a patchwork O-line. I don't pay very close attention to the Pats line, but I doubt very seriously that they have had anything like this rash of injuries. In the SD game the Colts had a guy at LT that was on the practice squad the week before. I seriously doubt that has ever happened before in the NFL. Guys don't come off the practice squad and protect a QBs blindside, it usually another line man moving over but the Colts were down 3 O-linemen and out of options. 4. There is a huge difference between having shoddy WRs that you've been practicing with since camp and having shoddy WRs that just started getting reps with the first team. [/ QUOTE ] Quoted the whole post since it's all true, but the fact that it's taken weeks for someone else to mention #4 tilts the [censored] out of me. More people should besides Colts' fans should be mentioning this. Cody [/ QUOTE ] did you know that moss didn't play preseason? not 1 game. here are his stats from the first game brady and moss played together: <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> REC YDS AVG LNG TD 9 183 20.3 51 1</pre><hr /> not everyone needs to play 3 years together to make it work [/ QUOTE ] you are a moron. no, not everyone needs 3 years together to make it work, but randy moss is the ultimate example of a receiver to whom you can just throw the ball up to. randall cunningham had a career revival with him. so yes when one of the best QBs of all time and possibly the greatest WR of all time hook up, they just MIGHT be successful on the other hand when you're playing with practice squad level players, it's all about timing because those guys aren't going to get open much. [/ QUOTE ] Yes Randy Moss did wonders in Oakland......... the fact of the matter is, Manning is not as good as we were once led to believe as nfl fans. At first he appeared to be a great nfl qb, but that was only when he was surrounded by pro-bowl weapons. Now that he's even missing a couple pro bowlers, he's playing like garbage. And he still has Reggie Wayne, Addai, and Dallas Clark for the most part. Unless he is surrounded by studs, Manning is mediocre at best. it's actually pretty sad. I feel cheated as an nfl fan but it's up to me to point out the truth... and this is it. [/ QUOTE ] It's kinda amazing. Without a top 5 WR all-time. He almost single handedly beat the best team all-time (of course he had help from a solid D and wonderful Addai play) this season. If not for a horrible 4th, they could have won the game. Amazing, now he's mediocre. [/ QUOTE ] when you consider the ridiculously biased officials, artificial crowd noise, and the fact that it was new england's worst game of the year..... it really isn't that amazing. try again.
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#55
11-19-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
it is weird - the cast he had in the NE game was pretty similar to this week. (besides the oline). but subjectively he did look a whole lot worse.
it just means he's human, that's all
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#56
11-19-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
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when you consider the ridiculously biased officials, artificial crowd noise, and the fact that it was new england's worst game of the year..... it really isn't that amazing. try again. [/ QUOTE ] you have too much artificial crowd noise in your head
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#57
11-19-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1. There are already threads about this. 2. If you think that its just Harrison missing you are crazy. The Colts have also played without their #3WR Gonzalez and didn't have Dallas Clark for the the SD game (the game that is skewing this statical sample horribly). 3. Manning is playing behind a patchwork O-line. I don't pay very close attention to the Pats line, but I doubt very seriously that they have had anything like this rash of injuries. In the SD game the Colts had a guy at LT that was on the practice squad the week before. I seriously doubt that has ever happened before in the NFL. Guys don't come off the practice squad and protect a QBs blindside, it usually another line man moving over but the Colts were down 3 O-linemen and out of options. 4. There is a huge difference between having shoddy WRs that you've been practicing with since camp and having shoddy WRs that just started getting reps with the first team. [/ QUOTE ] Quoted the whole post since it's all true, but the fact that it's taken weeks for someone else to mention #4 tilts the [censored] out of me. More people should besides Colts' fans should be mentioning this. Cody [/ QUOTE ] did you know that moss didn't play preseason? not 1 game. here are his stats from the first game brady and moss played together: <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> REC YDS AVG LNG TD 9 183 20.3 51 1</pre><hr /> not everyone needs to play 3 years together to make it work [/ QUOTE ] you are a moron. no, not everyone needs 3 years together to make it work, but randy moss is the ultimate example of a receiver to whom you can just throw the ball up to. randall cunningham had a career revival with him. so yes when one of the best QBs of all time and possibly the greatest WR of all time hook up, they just MIGHT be successful on the other hand when you're playing with practice squad level players, it's all about timing because those guys aren't going to get open much. [/ QUOTE ] Yes Randy Moss did wonders in Oakland......... the fact of the matter is, Manning is not as good as we were once led to believe as nfl fans. At first he appeared to be a great nfl qb, but that was only when he was surrounded by pro-bowl weapons. Now that he's even missing a couple pro bowlers, he's playing like garbage. And he still has Reggie Wayne, Addai, and Dallas Clark for the most part. Unless he is surrounded by studs, Manning is mediocre at best. it's actually pretty sad. I feel cheated as an nfl fan but it's up to me to point out the truth... and this is it. [/ QUOTE ] It's kinda amazing. Without a top 5 WR all-time. He almost single handedly beat the best team all-time (of course he had help from a solid D and wonderful Addai play) this season. If not for a horrible 4th, they could have won the game. Amazing, now he's mediocre. [/ QUOTE ] when you consider the ridiculously biased officials, artificial crowd noise, and the fact that it was new england's worst game of the year..... it really isn't that amazing. try again. [/ QUOTE ] Imagine that. NE worst game against the Colts D. Pretty suprising.
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#59
11-19-2007, 07:07 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
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it is weird - the cast he had in the NE game was pretty similar to this week. (besides the oline). but subjectively he did look a whole lot worse. it just means he's human, that's all [/ QUOTE ] Can't forget no Freeney on D. Law gives Peyton the "jimmys" and Clark isn't anywhere near 100%. O-line is huge though. Imagine Brady without his o-line where he never gets touched and can just step up. He looks invincible right now. Also KC has a good pass D, actually one of the best in the league. I just find it funny that he has a couple bad game stretch, albeit 1 game against an instoppable team and the other against a team where Madden has his worst half ever and almost won the game. Then he come sinto this game, he does play mediocre but still he isn't overall a mediocre QB b/c of a bad 3 game stretch. I'm pretty sure we can find many 3 game stretches in Brady's career where he is comparably bad. Peyton wasn't particularly good last year in the playoffs vs KC either. Yes 30-38, but 3 picks to 1 TD. He used Clark tremendously with 9 catches for 10 yards. Marvin and Wayve combined for only 88 yards between the two. Addai was much worse on Sunday than last year. Probally has something to do with the o-line.
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#60
11-19-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: Manning stats without Harrison vs Brady
Law didn't play much this week at all. He had some kind of injury that limited him.
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