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Old 11-29-2007, 10:36 AM
pureCra2z pureCra2z is offline
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Default NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

SB is 20/11/1 over 150 raked hands

flop check ok?
what to do on river?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $62.85
SB: $79.90
Hero (BB): $117.75
UTG: $145.85
UTG+1: $37.30
UTG+2: $83.15
MP1: $33.70
MP2: $108.35
CO: $66.20

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
7 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>, SB calls $7

Flop: ($22) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $13</font>, Hero calls $13

River: ($48) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $31</font>, Hero ???
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:46 AM
AllTheCheese AllTheCheese is offline
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

Call again. From his perspective, it looks like you have Kings or Queens.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace. SB took control of the hand on the turn and now you have a very tough decision on the river.

he has an ace, you are playing for a split here, or he has u crushed with AJ+.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:18 PM
pureCra2z pureCra2z is offline
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace.

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The reason I check the flop is to try to keep the pot smaller. Hes not super aggressive and if he had AJ+ and just calls I still wouldn't know where I stand.
If I bet flop, do I fold to a c/r?
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:29 AM
gman339 gman339 is offline
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace.

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The reason I check the flop is to try to keep the pot smaller. Hes not super aggressive and if he had AJ+ and just calls I still wouldn't know where I stand.
If I bet flop, do I fold to a c/r?

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By 3betting pre-flop you've already started to build a big pot. I agree with Brimstead. If I'm 3betting pre I'm going to bet the flop when I hit. If he comes over the top you get away from it.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:32 AM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

Jeez bet/folding this flop is so bad.
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:21 AM
CalledDownLight CalledDownLight is offline
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace.

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The reason I check the flop is to try to keep the pot smaller. Hes not super aggressive and if he had AJ+ and just calls I still wouldn't know where I stand.
If I bet flop, do I fold to a c/r?

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By 3betting pre-flop you've already started to build a big pot. I agree with Brimstead. If I'm 3betting pre I'm going to bet the flop when I hit. If he comes over the top you get away from it.

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this is not sound. If you bet it should be to bet/call imo.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:59 PM
Ron Burgundy Ron Burgundy is offline
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace. SB took control of the hand on the turn and now you have a very tough decision on the river.

he has an ace, you are playing for a split here, or he has u crushed with AJ+.

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bleh

check behind is perfect on the flop. It's a WA/WB situation. If you're betting, you're just hoping that he's got a weaker A. SB absolutely does not have "control of the hand" here, because we know we're good most of the time, but betting is only marginally +EV. Tough decision on the river? No, it's an insta-call because it was setup perfectly by the flop check.

If we bet the flop and got called, THEN we would have a tough decision.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

If you're going for pure value here by checking, you have to call whatever on the turn/river. You got him betting inyo you with TP in a 3bet pot, is this not what you wanted?
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check

Flop check is good cause you either WA/WB. He probably c/fs all non A/7 hands to a flop bet so checking allows him to bluff later streets and you to lose less when your behind

Id probably call river cause Im a station
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