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#2681
11-27-2007, 04:13 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
Villain is 24/20/3. Thinking TAG. Yesterday I c/r a Qxx dry flop and he 3-bet bluffed and showed.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com BB ($544) UTG ($491.60) Hero ($872.83) BTN ($400) SB ($287) Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BTN raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $28. Flop: ($90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero ???? 
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#2682
11-27-2007, 06:25 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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Villain is 24/20/3. Thinking TAG. Yesterday I c/r a Qxx dry flop and he 3-bet bluffed and showed. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com BB ($544) UTG ($491.60) Hero ($872.83) BTN ($400) SB ($287) Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BTN raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $28. Flop: ($90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] Please tell me that you need über skills to call 3bets with your hand OOP. Hurry hurry I'm like a teenager and I'm already doing it because my man DL calls'em too!
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#2683
11-27-2007, 07:23 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
31/16/1.9, folds to 3bets only 53%, call stationish post flop
Derfisch72 ($109.85) Iceage12122 ($100) truemp ($116) Firetribe ($98.50) OrbyGlens ($89.60) Derfisch72 posts (SB) $0.50 Iceage12122 posts (BB) $1 Dealt to Firetribe As Kd truemp raises to $4 Firetribe raises to $13.50 fold, fold, fold, call, FLOP ($28.50) 3c Jd 2s check, Firetribe bets $20 truemp calls $20 TURN ($68.50) 3c Jd 2s 2d check, check, RIVER ($68.50) 3c Jd 2s 2d 8h truemp bets $22 Firetribe folds truemp wins $87.50
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#2684
11-27-2007, 10:23 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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I'm not crazy, this 3bet is a very questionable play, right? UTG is 16/11 over the 80 hands I have on him. CO is a very well respected 2+2er who generally plays higher stakes who is running like 26/22 Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: $83.25 UTG: $200 CO: $205.25 BTN: $72.95 Hero (SB): $49.50 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) <font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $24</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $49.50 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $25.50 Flop: ($108) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Turn: ($108) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($108) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $108 Pot ($3 Rake) CO showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Twos) and LOST (-$49.50 NET) Hero showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a full house, Queens full of Twos) and WON $105 (+$55.50 NET) [/ QUOTE ] Why have you not reloaded to $200?
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#2685
11-27-2007, 10:28 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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Villain is 24/20/3. Thinking TAG. Yesterday I c/r a Qxx dry flop and he 3-bet bluffed and showed. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com BB ($544) UTG ($491.60) Hero ($872.83) BTN ($400) SB ($287) Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BTN raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $28. Flop: ($90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] Why not reraise preflop? This hand will be difficult to play post flop oop. Bet/fold flop as played I guess...
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#2686
11-27-2007, 10:29 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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31/16/1.9, folds to 3bets only 53%, call stationish post flop Derfisch72 ($109.85) Iceage12122 ($100) truemp ($116) Firetribe ($98.50) OrbyGlens ($89.60) Derfisch72 posts (SB) $0.50 Iceage12122 posts (BB) $1 Dealt to Firetribe As Kd truemp raises to $4 Firetribe raises to $13.50 fold, fold, fold, call, FLOP ($28.50) 3c Jd 2s check, Firetribe bets $20 truemp calls $20 TURN ($68.50) 3c Jd 2s 2d check, check, RIVER ($68.50) 3c Jd 2s 2d 8h truemp bets $22 Firetribe folds truemp wins $87.50 [/ QUOTE ] I think you played fine
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#2687
11-27-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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Villain is 24/20/3. Thinking TAG. Yesterday I c/r a Qxx dry flop and he 3-bet bluffed and showed. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com BB ($544) UTG ($491.60) Hero ($872.83) BTN ($400) SB ($287) Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BTN raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $28. Flop: ($90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] I normally fold with a hand like this to a preflop 3-bet if I'm OOP against a good player and effective stacks are 100bb's or less. I think at higher higher limits such as this calling once-in-a-while is ok because you can play your flopped draws fast and count on having some FE. My first thought would be to consider what his 3-bet bluff the day before meant. Was it just one of those board texture bluffs where he knew you could only continue with a very small range of hands? Or do you think he was making a move on you based on a read that he thinks you play strong hands fast but c/r with air? I this you should play this however you would play a set OOP in a 3-bet pot with this board against this villain (considering what you think his earlier move on you meant). The only reason I might deviate from that line is if it might lead to him getting his chips in before you. You want some FE if all your chips are going in. Wow, I feel like a politician with that response... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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#2688
11-27-2007, 12:13 PM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not crazy, this 3bet is a very questionable play, right? [/ QUOTE ] this was the question guys. [/ QUOTE ] Just last week, I learned what a "cold call" meant in "no limits." What's your point? [/ QUOTE ] What's it mean? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I've been told it's smooth-calling a 3-bet.
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#2689
11-27-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not crazy, this 3bet is a very questionable play, right? [/ QUOTE ] this was the question guys. [/ QUOTE ] Just last week, I learned what a "cold call" meant in "no limits." What's your point? [/ QUOTE ] What's it mean? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I've been told it's smooth-calling a 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] I always thought a cold call meant flat calling any bet or raise, unless someone else had already called in which case it would be an overcall.
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#2690
11-27-2007, 02:28 PM
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Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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[ QUOTE ] Does anyone want to raise? [/ QUOTE ] I pretty much always raise there. I almost always see a draw or weak top pair when they donk the turn like that. [/ QUOTE ] The problem I have with raising is it pretty much has to be a shove. It's $12 to us with $52 in the pot and we have only $81.50 behind. This villain doesn't seem bad enough to call off with his flush draws getting about 2-to-1 so even if he's calling with a few hands we beat mostly if we get called we're way behind. And I'm not sure TT is worth raising for protection. Damn this hand is tricky. I liked calling the turn because I don't want to fold and I don't like raising (for the reasons noted above) but then villain shoves on a J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river and I said fold getting almost 2-to-1 which also sucks. I think Devin had it right: call turn, call river shove unless it's a bad card.
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