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#951
05-10-2007, 02:53 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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ok so basically everything has got off track and no one actually thinks they're bots anymore? good, i've made my point then. i really don't care if you guys nitpick other points. [/ QUOTE ] Like the point that you shouldnt be a mod? 
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#953
05-10-2007, 02:54 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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I think pretty much everyone by now knows they're not botting, so now it's on to sweatshops. It's basically one far-fetched story vs another. [/ QUOTE ] Well, no, there's several scenarios, the least likely is the one being offered up by nlnut/nation/brandon but none have been eliminated. 1) Straight up botting, sometimes the botmaster takes over play, particularly to avert suspiscion or if he noticed the bots getting owned. 1b) Preflop botting. Bot plays preflop, player(s) follow a system postflop (Or may be one of "The sweatshop" variants post-flop.) 2) "The sweatshop". Players have a written script or flowchart they follow. May consult with "the boss" in difficult situations or if they started getting owned. 2b) "The sweatshop II". Players are being told how to play by some software (a Holdem Simulator of some kind - Like online Backgammon cheaters do). 3) As claimed by nlnut/nation/brandon. Three guys, sitting in a room together playing the same style and consulting each other in real time. They manage to play virtually identically, regardless of table conditions, opponents, variance, tilt, etc. It takes them a long time to adjust if anyone starts to exploit their play. And they have timing issues that normal multi-tablers do not have.
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#954
05-10-2007, 02:54 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] I've heard you say a couple times now that you guys are "discussing" the hands and thats the reason why you run the time bank down almost every decision. What is there to discuss that leads to the identical postflop stats that you guys have? [/ QUOTE ] U don't CY post-flop stats would converge as a result of this? [/ QUOTE ] Converge?! Bet River: 2497/575 = 0.230276332 961/216 = 0.224765869 2403/538 = 0.223886808 1836/411 = 0.223856209 With all of the possible combinations involved in the scenarios that 4 seperate humans would face, there is no way this can happen.
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#955
05-10-2007, 02:55 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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ok so basically everything has got off track and no one actually thinks they're bots anymore? good, i've made my point then. i really don't care if you guys nitpick other points. [/ QUOTE ] Fantastic! However I do hope you care about your modship. Dont count on this issue going away Yet again, I would like to stress, that if I'm in the obvious minority about nation's ethics/modship then I'll shut up, but I think this one is a no brainer Look for a new thread in ATF... (maybe BluffThis will ghostwrite for me)
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#956
05-10-2007, 02:55 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
yeah, it's been well established that
a) the 2+2 communinity is smart enough to figure out something is not adding up here b) the group in question refuses to divulge how they play the exact same game on every street, but still manage to discuss many hands because a tough decision comes up(how is any decision hard when you all play the exact same way as proven by your ptracker stats) c) the group in question is playing hundreds of thousands of hands at a practically break even winrate without showing signs of improvement or changes in their game due to all this "hand discussing" they do d) there is no way that 4 people playing humanly can have this identical of post flop stats on ptracker on this huge of a sample size.
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#957
05-10-2007, 02:57 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I've heard you say a couple times now that you guys are "discussing" the hands and thats the reason why you run the time bank down almost every decision. What is there to discuss that leads to the identical postflop stats that you guys have? [/ QUOTE ] U don't CY post-flop stats would converge as a result of this? [/ QUOTE ] Converge?! Bet River: 2497/575 = 0.230276332 961/216 = 0.224765869 2403/538 = 0.223886808 1836/411 = 0.223856209 With all of the possible combinations involved in the scenarios that 4 seperate humans would face, there is no way this can happen. [/ QUOTE ] There is NO POSSIBLE WAY this could happen even if THE SAME PERSON tried to replicate it. Mark
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#959
05-10-2007, 02:59 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
Thank you Nation, for stepping up to the plate for a friend, knowing the frontal assault would follow. You are a great guy, and any one of these people would be proud to have a friend like that. I'm just sorry it got so out of hand. But, like I said, it's just a chat room full of secret handshakers.
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#960
05-10-2007, 03:01 AM
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Re: NL Bots on Full Tilt
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[ QUOTE ] I think pretty much everyone by now knows they're not botting, so now it's on to sweatshops. It's basically one far-fetched story vs another. [/ QUOTE ] And by everyone, you mean 3 of you guys right? Its been constant lies by everyone involved in the scam. As someone else said, eveyrone with a halfway decent BS meter knows whats up. Mark [/ QUOTE ] Sure, I think there is a reasonable chance that "something is up", but that something is very unlikely to be botting. I thought we moved on to sweatshops now.
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