SSNL [cheese] thread: OCT (nc)

[Jay Riall]

I wouldn't fold like ever unless opener is sick good and I can't be bothered with tangling with him. Why do you think its bad?

[capodu]

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pf is clearly bad. villain has the lead, not hit enough flops, poor implied odds against lp range etc..

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Patrik Antonius who is probably one of the best nl poker players plays worse cards from the blinds... people put way to much emphasis on preflop.

[Imrahil]

Playing OOP is bad that's why PF is bad.

[futuredoc85]

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pf is clearly bad. villain has the lead, not hit enough flops, poor implied odds against lp range etc..

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i completely disagree. to start with, why is having the lead that good for villain at all w/ so much left behind? If you plan to c/f any flop you dont hit then i guess its bad

[Fletcher19]

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pf is clearly bad. villain has the lead, not hit enough flops, poor implied odds against lp range etc..

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Patrik Antonius who is probably one of the best nl poker players plays worse cards from the blinds... people put way to much emphasis on preflop.

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i agree, i don't want to come off as a pf nazi. I just defy anyone (including PA) to play that profitably against anyone but a drooler for 100bb.

[Jay Riall]

People who fold - what is your cold-call range in that spot then?

[Fletcher19]

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pf is clearly bad. villain has the lead, not hit enough flops, poor implied odds against lp range etc..

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i completely disagree. to start with, why is having the lead that good for villain at all w/ so much left behind? If you plan to c/f any flop you dont hit then i guess its bad

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for ~160bb+ i can imagine it coming close but never HU for 100bb

[TwistedEcho]

Dealt to TwistedEcho [5h Ah]
donkeyshaw: folds
dss66: folds
ZeKGB: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $6 to $8
redvoodo: folds
G0AT_B0Y: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Qc 4h 9h]
G0AT_B0Y: checks
TwistedEcho: bets $15
G0AT_B0Y: calls $15
*** TURN *** [Qc 4h 9h] [6d]
G0AT_B0Y: bets $18
TwistedEcho: calls $18
*** RIVER *** [Qc 4h 9h 6d] [5c]
G0AT_B0Y: bets $32.60 and is all-in
TwistedEcho: calls $32.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
G0AT_B0Y: shows [Td 5s] (a pair of Fives)
TwistedEcho: shows [5h Ah] (a pair of Fives - Ace kicker)
TwistedEcho collected $145.20 from pot

[x] put them on a hand you beat (JT) and call

[KingofNits2]

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Playing OOP is bad that's why PF is bad.

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Playing OOP is bad, because it reduces our edge. But if we are against bad players, our edge is big enough that we can give up some to play these hands OOP.

[nuggetz87]

how do i manage to lose every 3+bi pot i play

PokerStars Game #12471907517: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/10/06 - 14:23:36 (ET)
Table 'Castalia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: strangehold ($733 in chips)
Seat 2: JEM87 ($843 in chips)
Seat 3: Radioheads ($388 in chips)
Seat 4: slavik ($155.50 in chips)
Seat 5: INTREPID FOX ($275.80 in chips)
Seat 6: kan666 ($407.70 in chips)
slavik: posts small blind $2
INTREPID FOX: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JEM87 [Ah Th]
kan666: folds
strangehold: raises $12 to $16
JEM87: raises $36 to $52
Radioheads: folds
slavik: folds
INTREPID FOX: folds
strangehold: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [4h 7h 4c]
strangehold: checks
JEM87: bets $78
strangehold: raises $194 to $272
JEM87: raises $519 to $791 and is all-in
strangehold: calls $409 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4h 7h 4c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [4h 7h 4c Qd] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
strangehold: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
JEM87: mucks hand
strangehold collected $1469 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1472 | Rake $3
Board [4h 7h 4c Qd Td]
Seat 1: strangehold showed [Ks Kh] and won ($1469) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 2: JEM87 mucked [Ah Th]
Seat 3: Radioheads (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: slavik (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: INTREPID FOX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: kan666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)