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#82
08-08-2007, 06:28 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Partial answer - because they're stupid / weak / [censored] up. Additional partial answer - because that dude's doing a lot of things right. The task is to separate out what's morally heinous from what isn't. [/ QUOTE ] Has it ever occured to you these women react very strong to their most basic instincts when falling for a guy like that? So, the product of gazillions of years of evolution. Yet you argue with what is an obvious fact? It is easy to say their stupid and weak. If you stick to this explanation, and be done with it (stick to what you have learned until now), you will never ever grasp what is really going on there. Learn how life really works, as opposed to what society teaches you as being the norm. Use your brain, read, learn, think. You should really try it, might be good for your personal growth. Crazy as it may sound to you, but one of the main reasons I started studying this stuff is exactly because I do NOT want to be a d*ck to women, abusing them physically and so on. It is so not me. Yet I did want respect. And I have it now. Thanks to what I learned. I repeat, if you do not fully understand what it is all about, why go out of your way to judge it? [/ QUOTE ] i think it has less to do with evolution and a lot more to do with last weeks episode of sex and the city and last months issue of Seventeen. [/ QUOTE ] I think last week's episode of Sex and the City and last month's issue of Seventeen, since they're dealing largely with female psychology, are just a reflection of the way women's brains have evolved over the past hundreds of thousands of years. According to "The Game", there are several books on the reading lists of PUAs that involve evolution and behavioral psychology. [/ QUOTE ] they are also about mass marketing that has evolved over the last 50 years. 
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#83
08-08-2007, 06:33 PM
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That said, here are the things that bug me about PUA: -Everyone who spouts the philosophy seems to be convinced that all girls are basically the same deep-down, at least when it comes to what they are attracted to (see Vehn's "Women like men." comment). I simply don't believe this [/ QUOTE ] You cheer when your favourite sports-team scores? Yes? So do all the other supporters of your favourite sports team when they score. You jack off to porn? Yes? So does 99.9% of the people on this board when alone and confronted with the nudy girls. On a hot day, you crave something cool to drink? Yes? So do other people. Do all these things mean all those people in these groups mentioned are exactly alike? Fat chance. Yet they react in certain ways in certain situations. You do realize that something trivial like advertizing is `guilty` of the same approach? All these bad marketeers taking advantage of the poor sheep to get them to buy stuff they do not need? [ QUOTE ] While I don't doubt the effectiveness of that approach, I see no reason while being confident and in control would preclude actually being nice to someone. [/ QUOTE ] And you also have no clue really. Why are you assuming stuff without knowing what the hell you are talking about? And based on that misconception you judge? How can I be taking you serious as a discussion partner?
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#84
08-08-2007, 06:43 PM
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cardo you rule but this makes no goddamn sense. [/ QUOTE ]
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#85
08-08-2007, 06:43 PM
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Sigh. This isn't about me. I don't want this thread to be about me and my [censored]. I'm just using myself as a representative example of one of two basic perspectives on a debate. [/ QUOTE ]\ I've read your OP and 3 responses thus far. I really liked your post a lot. Hope the thread is intersting, especially given what you put into creating it.
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#86
08-08-2007, 06:50 PM
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3 books: The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, to get an idea of why things work the way they work. Tough concepts explained in a very accessible way. [/ QUOTE ] Red Queen is better if he is only to read one book. [ QUOTE ] On Being A Man by David Deida, making you realize you suck at being a man. Apply the lessons here and be amazed by the changes in how people perceive you. [/ QUOTE ] You either mean the program by David DeAngelo from doubleyourdating OR you mean "The Way of The Superior Man" by David Deida. I am not familiar with the former, the latter is excellent although Cardo will be able to come up with a reason to hate it if he wants to, [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. [ QUOTE ] The Art Of Seduction by Robert Greene, to be able to become this man all these chicks read about in their 1 dollar paperback novels. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah this is good but there is very little practical stuff. It's more of an archetype book....spelling out archetypes that someone like Cardo is going to be v familiar with anyway through reading literature and crap I'd imagine. Good recommendations in general though! Yugoslav
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#87
08-08-2007, 06:51 PM
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If all you want to do is get laid, then PUA stuff will help you, both in success rate and in willingness to endure churn. If you want to have successful relationships most of the gimmicks and categories and techniques are worse than useless, but the self-image stuff about you, the guy, has some merit. [/ QUOTE ] This is true. I read a lot of that stuff because after a few failed relationshits, I wanted to deal with chicks better. I am not out to bang a different girl every night. Like most people I am still on a quest for Miss Right. Since I now am much better with chicks I am getting laid along the way. What? Am I supposed to turn it down? Sorry, I have a penis.
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#88
08-08-2007, 06:57 PM
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Good recommendations in general though! [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, I have Red Queen as well, even though I prefer Dawkins´ book, but Red Queen is indeed an excellent read. Of course I meant the way of the superior man, my bad.
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#89
08-08-2007, 06:57 PM
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"The Way of The Superior Man" by David Deida. [/ QUOTE ] This is actually an excellent book about projecting that which is true within you instead of putting on a mask in order to hustle people. Which I think may be part of what cardo is getting at, that we can use techniques and still remain genuine.
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#90
08-08-2007, 07:01 PM
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[ QUOTE ] While I don't doubt the effectiveness of that approach, I see no reason while being confident and in control would preclude actually being nice to someone. [/ QUOTE ] And you also have no clue really. Why are you assuming stuff without knowing what the hell you are talking about? And based on that misconception you judge? How can I be taking you serious as a discussion partner? [/ QUOTE ] I'm judging based on the representation of PUA that I see on these and other forums. You're right that I'm not particularly well-informed and I wouldn't recommend that you take me seriously as a discussion partner - I don't have the energy for a serious debate about this. Think of my post as one outsider's view of PUA.
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