who is the best NL hold'em player?

[McCutter]

Phil Hellmuth wins big on High Stakes Poker this year. He is a lifetime winner in The Big Game (few people are). He won the NBC Heads Up Championship against a field of strong players. He is not a "negative expectation player" against any field.
With two tables to go in the WSOP event he won this year, Hellmuth started raising almost every pot and his chip count multiplied. If you watch the final table of the event he won this year (you can download it on a few online sites), you will see that he destroyed everyone at the table and totally controlled the game. His win was never in doubt and he was never "negative expectation."

[klownage]

Yeah, Hellmuth is very patient, and good against weaker players, which serves him well in tournaments. But in a tough table, he's a huge dog obviously.

[gobboboy]

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Phil Hellmuth wins big on High Stakes Poker this year. He is a lifetime winner in The Big Game (few people are). He won the NBC Heads Up Championship against a field of strong players. He is not a "negative expectation player" against any field.
With two tables to go in the WSOP event he won this year, Hellmuth started raising almost every pot and his chip count multiplied. If you watch the final table of the event he won this year (you can download it on a few online sites), you will see that he destroyed everyone at the table and totally controlled the game. His win was never in doubt and he was never "negative expectation."

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You don't even know what negative expectation means if you cite specific examples as proof that he is +EV in big games.

[klownage]

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Right, Phil Galfond... Galfond has posted on this site about how he is so much better than Hellmuth too.

WSOP CASHES 2007,2006:

Hellmuth 2007: 1st, 6th, 25th, 31st, 95th, 104th
Galfond 2007: 18th, 76th

Hellmuth 2006: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 13th, 44th, 44th, 67th
Galfond 2006: 22nd, 31st

I see a trend of overconfident young internet players SAYING they are THE BEST, but not actually WINNING enough live to back that claim up.

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To be fair, if you could clarify, how many WSOP tournies did Hellmuth play compared to Galfond this past year?

Hellmuth probably is better in tournaments than Galfond, because of his experience. Hellmuth's understanding of tournament play and understanding of the general calibre of players (i.e. weak) at tournaments is prob. better.

But I think it's obvious that Galfond would destroy Hellmuth in NL Cash, and that it is way way easier for Galfond to become as good in Hellmuth in tournies than for the other way around.

[McCutter]

Galfond and Hellmuth both played at the same table of HSP this year. Hellmuth won big. Galfond won a little bit. Did Galfond "destroy" PH?

[gobboboy]

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Galfond and Hellmuth both played at the same table of HSP this year. Hellmuth won big. Galfond won a little bit. Did Galfond "destroy" PH?

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JMan played less than a hundred hands at the table.

[McCutter]

Isnt this thread about who is the best NL Hold 'em tourney player? Most people's answer is Hellmuth. Doyle's answer is Hellmuth.

[THAY3R]

This thread is funny.

[Whitewash]

Gobbo, didn't you ever hear the phrase "don't try playing Beethoven to a cow"?

[killsadie]

i just cant take anything he says seriously.