Probability Question for David Sklansky

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Giving her a zero is too lenient, in my opinion.

[Duke]

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Giving her a zero is too lenient, in my opinion.

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A zero seems to ensure that she'll fail the class, unless she had a pretty solid average before this (where she decided to cheat to get a marginal score).

Please explain what you think should happen. You apparently want her expelled?

[johnnyrocket]

this is a great question, its cool to see various responses. I am not sure how to approach it but to get an estimate I would discard the 7 questions that the most responses with the same answer (random number i use here), these have the least variance. I would then check out the other 12 questions, compare it with the percent of students that answered the same answer for that question, take that percent for each of these 12 questions and multiply the percents, this is how likely I think it is that they didnt cheat

my logic is not sound here but it is how i'd approach the question at hand

[Borodog]

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Also, after speaking with a good friend of mine also in academia, I think letting her take the retest is too lenient, and unfair. It gives her "two bites at the apple" where the other students only had one, as my friend put it.

I will probably take his suggestion, and offer her the alternatives of either taking a zero for the test or escalating the situation to Academic Affairs.

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If she confessed, it's not so bad. I'd say giving her a zero would be kinda [censored] after the confession actually, since you said it would be better for her if she confessed. Maybe have her retake it but give her a half score?

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Believe me, taking the zero IS far better than the alternative. If she had not come forward and I had to approach her, it almost certainly would have gone to academic affairs, in which case she would have failed the class.

Giving her a zero on the test is actually extremely lenient, since her lowest test score is dropped, just like everyone else's. This essentially takes her "pre-final" grade from a B- to a C. Big whoop.

[arahant]

So, what's the deal? You meet with her? You're killing me here. Inquiring minds...

[ojc02]

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But damn the girl sitting in front of me right now (sits in front every class) is SMOKING HOT.

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Hey Boro, do any of your students know of your online persona?

[eviljeff]

I think you handled it well. I was thinking some combination of the following:

1) lower quiz score (possibly to zero, possibly based on retake)
2) lower final grade
3) cap what her potential final grade could be

[Duke]

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Also, after speaking with a good friend of mine also in academia, I think letting her take the retest is too lenient, and unfair. It gives her "two bites at the apple" where the other students only had one, as my friend put it.

I will probably take his suggestion, and offer her the alternatives of either taking a zero for the test or escalating the situation to Academic Affairs.

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If she confessed, it's not so bad. I'd say giving her a zero would be kinda [censored] after the confession actually, since you said it would be better for her if she confessed. Maybe have her retake it but give her a half score?

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Believe me, taking the zero IS far better than the alternative. If she had not come forward and I had to approach her, it almost certainly would have gone to academic affairs, in which case she would have failed the class.

Giving her a zero on the test is actually extremely lenient, since her lowest test score is dropped, just like everyone else's. This essentially takes her "pre-final" grade from a B- to a C. Big whoop.

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I figured a zero would turn it into a failing grade pre-final for sure. Perhaps there were more tests than I thought, or perhaps the average score is near enough to zero for it to not be too bad.

[Chips_]

I once had a situation where two students had identical responses on a multiple choice test except one of them got 95% and the other got 0%. I had given out two different versions of the test with subtle changes in the numbers. So for one problem I'd change the number 3 to 8 and I would still have the answers in the same order, with the correct answer to the other test in the same place. When the incident occured I reviewed the result with the class after the test, not mentioning any names. I pointed out that one student had gotten extremely unlucky and would have gotten 95% had they possesed the style of test from the student sitting next to them, but unfortunatly instead they got a 0. I marvelled at how unlucky this person happened to be.

[AlexM]

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Also, after speaking with a good friend of mine also in academia, I think letting her take the retest is too lenient, and unfair. It gives her "two bites at the apple" where the other students only had one, as my friend put it.

I will probably take his suggestion, and offer her the alternatives of either taking a zero for the test or escalating the situation to Academic Affairs.

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If she confessed, it's not so bad. I'd say giving her a zero would be kinda [censored] after the confession actually, since you said it would be better for her if she confessed. Maybe have her retake it but give her a half score?

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Believe me, taking the zero IS far better than the alternative. If she had not come forward and I had to approach her, it almost certainly would have gone to academic affairs, in which case she would have failed the class.

Giving her a zero on the test is actually extremely lenient, since her lowest test score is dropped, just like everyone else's. This essentially takes her "pre-final" grade from a B- to a C. Big whoop.

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Ahh, the fact that the lowest test is dropped makes it not so bad.