Global Warming: What needs to be done?

[Brainwalter]

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Has the radiant energy of the sun increased over the past 150 years?

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Yes.

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but somehow this is irrelivant to the small rise in earth's temperature?

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Also yes. The increase in solar radiation over the last 100 years does not account for even a fraction of the increase in the average global temperature.

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Is it enough to account for the increase in Mars temperature over that time? Or is that human caused as well?

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Has the radiant energy of the sun increased over the past 150 years?

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Yes.

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but somehow this is irrelivant to the small rise in earth's temperature?

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Also yes. The increase in solar radiation over the last 100 years does not account for even a fraction of the increase in the average global temperature.

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not enought to account for a 1.1 degree F rise. put down the kool-aid

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http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Change...arming_999.html

I'm done responding to these because you guys need to go out and research it yourselves. The info is out there, and the debate is over.

[ramsclub]

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http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Change...arming_999.html

I'm done responding to these because you guys need to go out and research it yourselves. The info is out there, and the debate is over.

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Great article witten by Staff writers at an obscure website I guess it must be true. [ QUOTE ]
Apart from solar brightness, more subtle influences on climate from cosmic rays or the Sun's ultraviolet radiation cannot be excluded, say the authors. However, these influences cannot be confirmed, they add, because physical models for such effects are still too poorly developed.



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[ramsclub]

http://www.innovations-report.com/ht...ort-49939.html

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Great article witten by Staff writers at an obscure website I guess it must be true.

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It's a summary of an article published in Nature.

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Apart from solar brightness, more subtle influences on climate from cosmic rays or the Sun's ultraviolet radiation cannot be excluded, say the authors. However, these influences cannot be confirmed, they add, because physical models for such effects are still too poorly developed.

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Give me a break. Do you really need the researchers to go down every possible avenue of explanation, no matter how unlikely, before you can accept the explanation that is:

1. an obvious explanation;
2. is supported by the evidence;
3. fully accounts for the observation.

I envisage you standing over a body covered in blood with a knife sticking out of the chest arguing with the medical examiner.

M.E.: I have concluded that the puncture wound to the heart was the cause of death. The puncture wound is consistent with the size and shape of the knife, so my conclusion is that he was killed by the knife wound.

You: Just wait a minute, here. How do you know he wasn't killed with a different knife?

M.E.: This knife right here is in his chest. It looks like...

You: Wait a minute! What if he was struck by a car with a really pointy object on the hood! Huh, Mr. "Scientist"? Where's your explanation for that?

M.E.: It seems pretty obvious to me that what happened was...

You: Liar! Liar! You haven't even proved that he didn't fall over onto a sharp object! Until you find every sharp object in the world, and prove that he didn't fall on that, you can't prove anything!

M.E.: Please leave my lab.

You: Help, help! The scientific majority is oppressing me with their lies!

[mosdef]

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http://www.innovations-report.com/ht...ort-49939.html


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Are you trying to refute my study from 2006 with a previous study that was done in 2005? You realize that results improve over time as more research is done?

Here's my proof that the earth is the center of the solar system:

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...aristotle.html

It must be right, it was the best information available at the time.

[HeavilyArmed]

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Has the radiant energy of the sun increased over the past 150 years?

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Yes.

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but somehow this is irrelivant to the small rise in earth's temperature?

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Also yes. The increase in solar radiation over the last 100 years does not account for even a fraction of the increase in the average global temperature.

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Is it enough to account for the increase in Mars temperature over that time? Or is that human caused as well?

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Obviously, since man is 100% responsible for taking Mar's temperature.

[NCAces]

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http://www.innovations-report.com/ht...ort-49939.html


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Are you trying to refute my study from 2006 with a previous study that was done in 2005? You realize that results improve over time as more research is done?

Here's my proof that the earth is the center of the solar system:

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...aristotle.html

It must be right, it was the best information available at the time.

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Using your logic, the books about to be released that show solar activity is a, if not prime, cause will trump your research because it is more recent. Right or wrong, your "my 2006" research is bigger than "your 2005 research" is not an argument.

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[esad]

Wow, when are you going to start debating volcanism's possible role? It's had a greater impact on global climate change then anything man could ever hope to achieve, but I guess everyone has conveniently forgotten that. Oops, silly me, everything is man's fault...well amend that to rich white man's fault. Even Mars, I'm sure those rovers messed up something.

[Maurice]

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.... and the increase in the level of greenhouse gases is explained by human activity only.

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Well, last time I checked, Methane was a Greenhouse Gas. Methane traps heat 20 times more effectively than Co2. 70% of the Methane in the atmosphere is produced by plants, wetlands, animals and of course- the Ocean. Huh, I guess the rise in Greenhouse gases ISN'T caused by humans ONLY like you state.

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lets get it out in the open Global Warming alarmism was started simply as and anti capitalist movement.

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Yes, you are correct. It isn't about the environment, it's about Politics and Elitism for these people. This global Warming advocates (the die hards, not the misinformed, although some are both) are against:

Private Property
Free Enterprise
Technology

Don't believe me? Well, Maurice Strong was one of the original organizers for the Earth Summit. He said " the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse."

Oh, he also is an advisor to Kofi Annan. And yes, he played an important role in the Kyoto Protocol. Now, does this man have an agenda? Looks like it. It has nothing to do with the environment. He's socialist, an admitted radical socialist who has an agenda and is in a powerful enough position to push some of his agenda through.

One of my other favorite quotes from him.

"Licences to have babies incidentally is something that I got in trouble for some years ago for suggesting even in Canada that this might be necessary at some point, at least some restriction on the right to have a child."

The guy has a new Age retreat in Colorado that is about worshiping Gods and Goddesses and Mother Earth. He wants to UNITE the world and have the UN govern the world, where the UN's laws trump national laws.

The guy is a bit on the fringe imo and that's an understatement. He has an agenda, and uses this Save the World as a banner to carry out his ultimate goal of a socialistic world society.


OK, talked way too much about that, but it needs to be put out there. Not to many people know about the guy, and he has had tons of influence in the area of "Global Warming" He's a radical. Originally environmentalism started as a great movement. There are still some good peeps out there. I for one am glad air pollution is down over the past few decades, and bodies of water have less and less pollution in them. However there are some radicals within this environmental movement that have their own agenda. They are people like Maurice Strong. (A shame we have the same 1st name)

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Has the radiant energy of the sun increased over the past 150 years?

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Yes.

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but somehow this is irrelivant to the small rise in earth's temperature?

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Also yes. The increase in solar radiation over the last 100 years does not account for even a fraction of the increase in the average global temperature.

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not enought to account for a 1.1 degree F rise. put down the kool-aid

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Are you familiar with the Maunder Minimum? It was a period of low sunspot activity in the 17th century that happened to coincide in the middle and the coldest part of the so called Little Ice Age. This Ice age where Europe and N. America and perhaps much of the rest of the world, were subjected to bitterly cold winters.

I guess this is just sheer coincidence. Decrease in Solar Activity coincides with one of the coldest periods in the past 500 years. Umm yeah, I think solar activity can affect Earth's temperature by at least 1 degree F. But you will disagree, because it's impossible to fathom that temperature changes can be caused by something other than humans.

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Wow, when are you going to start debating volcanism's possible role? It's had a greater impact on global climate change then anything man could ever hope to achieve, but I guess everyone has conveniently forgotten that. Oops, silly me, everything is man's fault...well amend that to rich white man's fault. Even Mars, I'm sure those rovers messed up something.

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Yeah, when Pinatubo (Spelling) erupted a few years ago, global temperatures dropped by a degree from all of ash and aerosols it injected into the atmosphere. (It decreased the normal amount of sunlight that could reach Earth-- hence the drop in temperatures.) In fact, I think the eruption injected more than 17 Million tons of sulfer dioxide in the air. That is way worse than what humans have done over the past 300 years.