weird situation. is there any ethics consideration here?

[tcorbin16]

fwiw i think what you did mike was fine.

[mikech]

in retrospect, letting him take back the raise might've been overkill. the right thing to do would've been push and show. but i just reacted instinctively, and i decided to let him make the decision. if, after showing me his cards but without seeing mine, he still wanted to play the hand to completion, then we would've played the hand. however, i wanted to give him an out: if he could figure out for himself what was going on, then he gets his raise back.

keep in mind that i hadn't even acted on his raise yet, and i didn't show my hand. yet i asked him to forfeit the pot. not many ppl are gonna muck the 2nd nuts there, but he did. he was not only smart enough to figure out what was going on, but he apparently was also a good enough judge of character to realize i wasn't trying to shaft him. he declined to play out the hand, he forfeited a pot with over a thousand dollars in it and folded A5 on a 234r flop. kudos to him, i let him pull back his raise and shook his hand.

also, this wasn't about softplaying. i play hard against all the regulars in the bellagio game, and i'd never played with this particular guy before in my life. this was a unique, bizarre situation, one which i didn't want to take advantage of. you can all say i gave up ev or whatever, but who cares, poker's not just about money to me.

also, there's a twist ending to the story, but i won't bother going into detail here, since nothing's been nailed down yet, and i didn't do what i did for any reason other than the fact that i felt it was the proper thing to do. but suffice it to say that good deeds are NOT necessarily always punished.

[GambleAB]

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also, this wasn't about softplaying. i play hard against all the regulars in the bellagio game, and i'd never played with this particular guy before in my life.

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So having someone show you one card from his hand when it gets HU, then show you the other one on the flop, then you telling him for all intents and purposes your hand and letting him take back a majority of the money he's already put into the pot isn't softplaying?
Instead of thinking about how nice you are being to the guy who is showing you his cards, why not think about how to be nice to the third guy at the table who is at the disadvantage of playing 1-on-2?

[mikech]

i've probably played 500-1000 hrs with the 3rd guy at the table. he knows i don't softplay, or collude, or anything else. he folded his hand preflop, ie, had no money in it. he can quit the game anytime he likes. i can win the pot then give swedish guy $4300 if i want to. anything else?

[WiltOnTilt]

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also, there's a twist ending to the story, but i won't bother going into detail here, since nothing's been nailed down yet, and i didn't do what i did for any reason other than the fact that i felt it was the proper thing to do. but suffice it to say that good deeds are NOT necessarily always punished.

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Oh man, how you gonna tease us like that?

FWIW Mike I probably do the same as you, except perhaps push and show both cards.

nh

WoT

[EC10]

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also, there's a twist ending to the story, but i won't bother going into detail here, since nothing's been nailed down yet, and i didn't do what i did for any reason other than the fact that i felt it was the proper thing to do. but suffice it to say that good deeds are NOT necessarily always punished.

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the man turned out to be a drunken patrik antonius and is now coaching mikech.

[mikech]

antonius is finnish, not swedish...

[RichGangi]

Very interesting situation OP, thx for sharing. FYI-I think you def. did the right thing here, and handled it very well. NH.

[TStoneMBD]

wow, so funny you should post this. same thing happened to me a week ago.

i was playing 20/40 at commerce and bruce had T8. my hand was KT on a board of 79JQ. with deep stacks he raised me on the turn and i said "flopped it?" so that when i shoved it makes my hand look weak. he then goes to show me his hand and i say "dont do that" knowing he was going to show me T8. i ended up shoving and he called and i felt like a complete dick, especially with my "flopped it" line and him being so generous as to try and save me several thousand.

he was so nice about it though

[riverboatking]

mike,

pretty sure bruce never is actually trying to save anyone money.
although he doesnt need anymore of it he LOOOOOOOOOOOOVES stacking people, and no matter how much he likes someone he's not going to try and "save em" anything.
trust me.