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#82
07-08-2007, 09:25 PM
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Re: David Singer
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I had only had to read this far to find more fault in your argument. A player who "wants to use a cellular phone." Well, when someone asks you if you used your phone today would refer to instances in which you turned off your ringer? I don't know of anyone that would. The guy simply didn't use his phone. He turned it off. [/ QUOTE ] That's your interpretation. fine. I and others have a different interpretation. You seem to think that yours is the only possible interpretation, but it isn't. That was my point and I'm not sure how you can argue with it. With imprecise phrasing like 'use a cell', it's bound to happen. I think silencing a ringer is 'using a cell'. Moreover, the interpretation I am giving is the one that was enforced for the majority of the WSOP. [ QUOTE ] And do you think Phil Ivey or Doyle Brunson would be whining like Singer is? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said, but this just isn't relevant. Not only that but this is just speculation. 
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#84
07-08-2007, 09:34 PM
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Re: David Singer
LATEST INFO:
David Singer will not receive a refund or be allowed to play in another Day One despite threatening to go to the Nevada Gaming Commission over a rule dispute on his bust-out hand early Sunday morning, World Series of Poker Tournament Director Jack Effel said. Singer, who went all-in on the turn with a drawing hand, asked for a ruling after his opponent twice received phone a phone call during his decision making process and twice silenced the ringer by opening his phone and clicking a button. Rule number 15 of the Tournament Director's Association 2007 Summit states that "a player may not use a cellular phone, text-messaging device, or other communication device at the table." Floor officials ruled the player was not in violation of the rule. During the appeal process, officials examined the floor video tape and inspected the cell phone. Effel upheld the original decision after an extensive investigation. "There will be no refund or re-entry into the Main Event," Effel said. The "cell phone" rule has been strictly enforced at this year's Main Event and has been part of Effel's tournament pre-amble on each of the Day Ones. Cell phones and other communication devices have been used in cheating scandals in casinos around the world. WSOP Media Director Gary Thompson said one particular scandal in Europe, where a player used a device to send video images of cards to a collaborator outside the casino, was of particular concern to WSOP officials. "There was no intent to violate the rule," said Jerome Stone, the Rio's poker room manager. "I believe the sound was hurting his decision and he actually did the responsible thing by silencing the ringer."
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#85
07-08-2007, 11:43 PM
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Re: David Singer
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Yeah, my head is spinning. The dealer should have declared the hand dead right away, but, again, this is why you need to have rules that are easy to enforce and dealers and floorpeople who are trained to enforce them correctly and thoroughly. We've all been screwed by bad floor rulings before, though. [/ QUOTE ] With all the negative that has been written I want to point out that Effel and Harrah's got this one right. The rule is that you must step away from the table to use the phone. The player did the responsible thing and made his phone shut up while he was at the table. These rules exist for a reason and one of the reasons isn't to kill someone's hand so the guy with a draw doesn't bust out of the WSOP.
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#86
07-09-2007, 12:02 AM
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Re: David Singer
If the draw hits, does Singer go ballistic if the TDs rule his opp's hand dead after reviewing the tape?
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#87
07-09-2007, 12:22 AM
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Re: David Singer
What a laugh!!!
1st laugh - the rule itself. The cell phone rule is used to stop two things: 1) Cheating 2) Slowing the game If you don't cheat or slow the game down by TOUCHING THE PHONE, why would your hand be dead?????? It is a dumb cell phone policy - period. 2nd laugh - a so-called 'professional' sees a player touch his phone, thinks it kills his hand, but WAITS FOR THE GUY TO SHOVE ALL HIS CHIPS IN!!!!!!!!!!!!! If there is a more low-rent, MIckey Mouse horsesiht move out there, I need to see it. If this guy is a pro, it gives pros a bad name. Look, we all know the WSOP is a complete abortion, but they are right on this one. You cannot reward puke like this.
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#88
07-09-2007, 12:23 AM
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Re: David Singer
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I was at a play, and they announced THREE times to turn off your cell phones or put them on vibrate. Right in the middle of a very dramatic scene this lady's cell phone goes off. I just don't get it. I was leaving the Bicycle Club one day, and while I was waiting at the light I saw a guy run the red light in the other direction and broadside a car with two little kids in the back--luckily nobody was hurt...yea, you guessed it he was answering a call on his cell phone. A friend of mine rolled is Mercedes three times, ran into an embankment, and was then hit by another car on the LA 710 messing with his stupid cell phone. His car was unrecognizable. He came out with a broken finger. I think the rule is stupid. I HATE cell phones. I got along fine for 30 years without one, but this is a different era. Everybody has to be playing with their [censored] phones. Who the hell is everybody talking to all the time anyway? Can't it wait? Apparently it can't, so change the effin rule and forget about it. If you get a call, put em on hold during a hand or something. Everybody and their mother has a cell phone and are using them constantly. I think it's ridiculous, but it's life in the oughts. Come up with a workaround. Unless you're gonna make people turn in their phones at the saloon door like they did with the guns in the old west, you're going to have problems. Just figure out a way so the cell phone addicts can use em when they're playing or ban them altogether. [/ QUOTE ] Because your uncool inless you have one, duh. I am with you on the rant though.
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#89
07-09-2007, 12:23 AM
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Re: David Singer
I think it's funny people keep using terms like "draw" and "suck out" when singer's hand was the favorite.
To the person who pointed this out earlier, and asked why it was still an angle shoot: Even though Singer is a favorite on the flop, he has much better EV if the other players' hand is just ruled dead because Singer is only a small favorite and there is a lot of money in the pot.
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#90
07-09-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: David Singer
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[ QUOTE ] A player who wants to use a cellular phone must step away from the table. [/ QUOTE ] I had only had to read this far to find more fault in your argument. A player who "wants to use a cellular phone." Well, when someone asks you if you used your phone today would refer to instances in which you turned off your ringer? I don't know of anyone that would. [/ QUOTE ] What a bad way to phrase the rule anyway. If I want to use my cellphone, but I manage to refrain from doing it, is my hand dead? I think Harrah's handled this one pretty well. This is a good spot for the TD or the appeals committee to use their judgement and penalize the angle shooter, not the guy who innocently turned off his phone.
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