NL Bots on Full Tilt

[DWarrior]

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Posters here have to believe *all* of the following to be true to believe nlnut and your vouching of him:

1) he isn't botting even only part-time;
2) he isn't running a sweatshop and lying about it;
3) the stats are being mis-interpreted by all who think otherwise;
4) 4 players really can play virtually identically post-flop over 100K hands and a system can account for all post-flop situations;
5) 4 players can execute such a system to 99% precision;
6) FT is actually competent in making botting determinations;
7) nlnut isn't deceiving you in any way.


That's a 7-team parlay and it only pays 3-1. Anyone who wants to bet on it is welcome to.

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DW,

Re my 7-team parlay above, can I put you down for a bet at the stated 3-1 odds?

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Where do you get the 3-1 from?

And no, because the terms of your bet are ambiguous. I'd definitely take 3-1 that he's not botting, but we seem to be getting off topic now and into "ok, he's not botting, but...".


PS, I'd also be interested in seeing how other stats can trump VPIP in this case, you mention how you have an explanation but how you don't want to post it. Can you PM it please?

[MinRaise]

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it would not be hard to come up with a way of having the preflop numbers agree - not hard at all.

to one raise, call/raise these exact hands and no others - allowing for certain hands in certain positions

to two raises, call/raise these exact hands and no others

follow these things exactly. how hard is that?


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I just don't think you could get human beings to follow something so precisely, even preflop. Sooner or later, there would be deviations. Also, when you consider how strange some of the reactions were to the OP's actions, it seems strange a human would stick to the script so long when it is obvious he is being exploited.

Presumably, all of the people involved had previous poker experience. Just think how strange it is that none of them seemed to make any elementary adjustments.

[nlnut]

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nlnut,

Please confirm or deny that there is a computer program/script that is giving plays to the players on these accounts.

[/ QUOTE ] deny.. we verbally help each other out.

[nation]

i really don't care about this thread anymore, if ftp wants to investigate again so be it, there's just nothing to hide.

[BluffTHIS!]

DW,

You are the saying VPIP not only trumps all other stats indvidually or combined, but that it is alone sufficient to make the determnination of botting or not. So YOU prove that and don't ask me to prove the contrary. Start a thread in Poker Theory about it if you like.

[UATrewqaz]

[Brian and Chris try to sneak into a fair by wearing a horse suit]

Ticket Seller: Wait a minute... your ass just sneezed.

And horses can't talk.

No, no... this just doesn't add up at all.

[ianisakson]

chuck, it's pretty obvious you're dodging questions that the answer will in some way give away your "secret system". If I have to, i'm going to put together my own sweatshop of players to sit in position on your players and outplay the living daylights out of their terrible poker playing [censored]'s. The fact that you have not given a good argument as to why you guys don't even try to improve is enough for me to find you guilty.

[BluffTHIS!]

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chuck, it's pretty obvious you're dodging questions that the answer will in some way give away your "secret system". If I have to, i'm going to put together my own sweatshop of players to sit in position on your players and outplay the living daylights out of their terrible poker playing [censored]'s. The fact that you have not given a good argument as to why you guys don't even try to improve is enough for me to find you guilty.

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Actually the bigger question is why, even playing sub-optimally and assuming their story is 100% true, they haven't quickly moved up to much bigger stakes.

[dp13368]

Even if FTP does not do anything else in response to this, the winrates (or breakeven/losing rates) of those in the sweatshop are going to decrease.

I have seen alot of "railing" and bot chat at all of their tables with people leaving, etc.

[nlnut]

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Nicho,

Even if your explanation is true, which doesn't seem likely, nlnut and nation have given a different story. There is a lie in those stories somewhere and that's the point.

[/ QUOTE ] link me too the lie.... i missed it.

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The lie is all of your story not adding up, not accounting for all the stats, and especially for post-flop play. Your explanation simply is unproven and unreasonable for you to be both not botting and not running a sweatshop or playing all those accounts yourself at the same time in some way.

[/ QUOTE ] What is the definition of a sweat shop. I'm sorry but i never used the word before. So if i'm sitting in front of a computer (in the middle) with 2 friends on each side of me and were discussing hands/decisions is that a sweatshop...if so I am guilty.