New Fight Question

[Albert Moulton]

Assuming no weapons and no rules, then I think:

35% World's best ultimate fighting champion because he has the most experience in similar few-rules fights

25% World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts because he may be more skilled in technique than the ultimate fighter, but probably has less 1-on-1 few-rules fight experience. On the other hand, he probably trains more than the SEAL who has other demands on his time besides non-weapons fighting like fighting with weapons, moving as part of team, explosives training, and all those military time-sinks like fit reps, change of command ceremonies, inspections, and not to mention actually going to war where most of the time is spent waiting and only a very small amount of time is spent fighting.

20% World's most elite Navy Seal as far as hand to hand combat is concerned.

15% World's best boxer. I think boxing has a lot of rules that would put the boxer at a disadvantage in a no-rules fight. He'd have a chance if he laned a great shot early, but once the match turns to wrestling, gouging and choke holds, he's out of his element.

5% World's best real streetfighter from a gang or whatever. My guess is that real street fightst are typically settled with sucker punches, knives, guns, and anything else that gives one fighter an unfair advantage over his opponent. It's like that scene in Unforgiven, "You just shot an unarmed man." ... "I guess he should have armed himself."

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navy seal and ufc are close.

boxer is very very clearly last.

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If the world heavyweight boxing champion lands a head shot on any of these people, it's game over

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World-class boxers are also masters at -avoiding- getting hit...The martial artists aren't going be able to take the boxer to ground if they're never able to lay a hand or foot on him

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They are good at avoiding punches not kicks or grapples. Strikers in MMA events use a vastly different stance than boxers do primarily because a boxers stance leaves itself open to be exploited by kicks and grapplers.



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The power of a punch thrown by a top-class heavyweight boxer is overwhelming.

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It is certainly powerful but is it exponentially more so than a roundhouse kick? MMA fighters routinely take roundhouse kicks to the head. The punching power of martial artists is of roughly the same force as a boxer.

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They need to avoid being taken to ground by the martial artists (at least if that martial artist is still conscious when he hits the ground after the boxer lands his blow) at all costs, but other than that I see no huge disadvantage for them

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They're unskilled in defense against two key types of attack AND their stance is tailor made to be exploited by kicks and grapples. That is an ENORMOUS disadvantage.

You also seem to vastly overestimate the strength of a boxer's punch and what it can do.

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navy seal and ufc are close.

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Why? The SEAL has considerably less H2H training and experience and is likely to be in worse shape as well.

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navy seal and ufc are close.

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Why? The SEAL has considerably less H2H training and experience and is likely to be in worse shape as well.

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Yes to the first. No way to the second. You really think someone like Fedor is in better shape than the best Navy SEAL?

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Yes to the first. No way to the second. You really think someone like Fedor is in better shape than the best Navy SEAL?

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A Navy SEAL spends considerable time practicing tactics, with weapons, and the like. An MMA fighter spends 6-12 hours a day doing nothing but conditioning and fighting. A SEAL might be able to outswim or outrun an MMA fighter, but he certainly can't stand toe to toe with someone in a fight for as long.

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Yes to the first. No way to the second. You really think someone like Fedor is in better shape than the best Navy SEAL?

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A Navy SEAL spends considerable time practicing tactics, with weapons, and the like. An MMA fighter spends 6-12 hours a day doing nothing but conditioning and fighting. A SEAL might be able to outswim or outrun an MMA fighter, but he certainly can't stand toe to toe with someone in a fight for as long.

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I think you're vastly overestimating the amount of time MMA fighters spend training. They would never be able to regenerate anything if they were to try and work themselves that hard.

Here's a copy of Matt Hughes' training schedule:
6:00 AM - run for 30-45 minutes (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
6:45 AM - eat breakfast, take son to school, work on farm, miscellaneous errands
10:00 AM - eat a snack, good carbs and protein (NO SUGAR)
12:30 PM - eat lunch (usually a chicken breast sandwich and salad)
3:30 PM - take XYIENCE NOX-CG3
4:00 PM - lift weights, no more than 1 hr:
5:00 PM - 30 minute run on treadmill, start at 6 mph and every five minutes go up 1/2 mile per hour
5:30 PM - stretch for 15-20 minutes after workouts
take Cytosport Musclemilk (my post-workout meal)
http://www.matt-hughes.com/training.html

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Until recently it would have been boxer, because no one who was that good at fighting would have wasted their time with Pride Fighting of martial arts or whatever since there was so much more money in boxing. That may have changed recently. I don't follow any of that MMA stuff. If the money is similar to boxing then:

UFC
Boxing
Martial Arts
Navy Seal
Street fighter

In fights people start out far apart and end up close. Kickboxing is just boxing unless you make a rule that you have to kick. Boxing just turns into wrestling, except you aren't allowed to wrestle. I'm not sure where to put martial arts, but I'm assuming it's more like kicking and punching and less like wrestling.

Street fighter is a weird category. The UFC champ would be the best street fighter also. If best street fighter just means best amateur fighter, then he loses to everyone by a long shot. Kimbo couldn't even beat that cop.

If the money in UFC isn't near the money in boxing yet, then maybe the boxer overcomes the specific training a UFC fighter has. Also, it isn't fair to boxers to say "the best boxer" since maybe the third best boxer would do better in this kind of fight than the best boxer would.

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If the money in UFC isn't near the money in boxing yet, then maybe the boxer overcomes the specific training a UFC fighter has.

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Quite doubtful. The boxer has a "puncher's chance", but unless he knocks out the MMA guy with one shot, he's probably going down and will be quickly submitted. I think you have to seriously ask yourself if those who are at the top in boxing would be exactly the same if kicks, grappling, and submissions were allowed. Not only that, do you think that the techniques, footwork, and stances would be the same if such techniques were allowed? Honestly?

[CalledDownLight]

I think that people are forgetting that all of these people are of equal weights. That means you have to size down the UFC guy to someone who is maybe 175-225 pounds. Then you just don't have the same destructive force that you all are saying he is. Part of the reason that these guys are so hard to hurt is because they are huge (many of then 6'6" and 350+). If you make this guy 150 pounds so he can go up against a martial arts guy he just doesn't have a decided edge. He won't be able to take repeated shots and can't just overpower these guys anymore. For my analysis I am going to assume 205 lb weights so some guys will have to put on weight (MMA and possibly street fighter) and others will have to cut a ton of weight (UFC fighter and possibly SEAL or boxer). The weight issue is very serious as without it the UFC guy is probably a decided favorite for reasons that many have already outlined.

1. SEAL-These guys are trained to kill and have the endurance that would be most key to a fight to the death. They also have instincts in life/death situations and the toughness to endure a beating. 30%

2. Gang/Street Fighter-IMO this can be vewed as an other ctaegory. There is a reasonably high chance that the best fighter in the world comes from somewhere other than the several thousand people that fall into one of these categories. Who knows what the "best" fighters skill set would be, but he could easily be highly proficent in at least some of the areas that are most important to the other fighters. Also, the toughest guy out of the rest of the world should be able to match up with any of these fighters. Many gang-strret fighters are also accustomed to tough lives and have been in life/death situations before and have instincts that combat this well. Also, this guy would probably be legitimately crazy and thats one thing that there is no counter for. 25%

3. UFC fighter-Has a wide skill set and knows what to do if he can get his opponent to the ground. This guy will not allow his opponent to slip away and has a high level of toughness that will let him take a punch. 20%

4. Boxer-He will be at a decided disadvantage against a MMA opponent who knows how to be defensive and moves quickly enough to avoid his punches. Against other opponents, however he will always have that punchers chance. This guy could put you down with one punch and then a few more will leave you unconcious, the rest is just clockwork. Think Tyson in his prime, not the best skill set, but if he lands one punch then he's probably winning the thing. Also, don't underestmate the crazy factor and that these guys are trained to take blows to the head. 15%

5. MMA-While he could be one of the tougher ones to kill based on defensive tactics and quickness, I doubt that he will have enough strength and force to put most of these guys in a position where they wouldn't still have the chance to land a single blow that could cripple him, He has to get in close for the kill and one blow might be enough to give the other guy and edge. 10%