STTF SNG->cash thread

[Josem]

i datamine at party, and only play tables with >30% VPIP.

[suzzer99]

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suzzer,

How many tables are you playing? Are you using HUD? It's pretty rare when most of the players are fairly normal 30/18ish. If that were the case you should have found different tables.

#1

There are a few reasons to fold preflop. Button is short stacked and you don't close the betting here and you are OOP. I would probably fold pre, but it doesn't seem like calling is terrible.

Turn is very awkward. With his stack size you absolutely have to call if he pushes the turn and it's a really bad spot if he pushes a blank river after calling your turn bet.

Any bet by you is committing. You will never fold out a better hand. If he's behind he's most likely drawing to 6 outs so only 12% chance to hit river. If you hit your river card it's not unlikely that he'll still pay you off with any one pair hand (I know you said they looked normalish, but he is a short stacker who made a weird raise pre.) His slowplaying a big hand is far from out of the question.

I dunno, but it seems like this adds up to a turn check, even though you could end up with a hard decision if/when he bets the turn.

#2

Ok, Daniel Negreanu. I fold preflop almost all the time and 3 bet the times I don't.

Fold turn. It's not close.

It's ok to get loose passive around laggy morons and take their money when you hit something. You just have to be willing to let go of a fair amount of small pots where took a shot.

#3

Calling on the button there doesn't seem horrible, but it's not great. There's still potential for further action and it's not like you are guaranteed huge pot odds since you might end up with just the CO in the pot.

Reraising preflop is fine, but it's part of overall strategy and not something that is necessarily right or wrong for this hand. Well, maybe some people can 3bet it every single time, but they are playing a very different game than I do.

On the flop he's c-raising 2 people on the driest of flops. Find the fold button.


#4

I wish you had some stats on these players. In a vacuum I really don't know. I probably call the flop and make my decision on the turn possibly kicking myself over what hits on the turn.


#5

Fold.

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Thanks for the thoughtful replies. On #1 I'm pretty sure I didn't notice button was 50BBs. Otherwise I fold.

#2 - I think my read was minraise might be a monster. Is calling really that bad?

#3 - Yeah I folded quick. That wasn't the big decision.

#4 - Well I feel a little better. I called flop. Turn A. He had KQ. gg

[GtrHtr]

I don't mean to keep replying to your posts in what seems to be a negative way, but we are not playing on Party and tables with vpip >30% are not that common. At least at 100nl and 200nl. The ones with a vpip +30 at 400nl+ are usually tougher than the ones with a 22% vpip.

For suzzer, bones made a great post about three back. The only thing I'd add to that is to become much more reliant on your hud. Being on the button with 9To like in one of your hands where the initial raiser is the CO (for example)... his basic 4 stats are hugely important to what play you make. Shoot me a pm if you'd like an example.

[MikeMcQ1]

Live cash game 2/5 (300NL) at SanManuel in San Bernadino...
1st orbit after I sit. 9 handed.

Me CO+1 (300) Strikingly handsome fellow.
SB (150) Asian Gangster looking dude.
BB (300ish) Oversized sunglasses, hoodie.

Me has K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666"> buncha' folds, </font> <font color="red"> Me raises to $20 </font>, <font color="red"> SB raises to $45,</font>, BB calls, Hero...calls?

The only reason I called is because of BB and his stack. Should I just fold here? What if BB does not call? Does being 2/5 but only $300nl make a difference here?

Flop T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players) <font color="#666666"> Pot is $135 </font>
<font color="red"> SB bets $50, </font> BB calls $50, Hero...

In the actual hand I shoved, how bad is that?

[K䲰䮥n]

Villain is a reg TAG. No major history, very 2p2 playing style. The miniraise bothers me a bit. Woudlnt he just push with a draw? And also, my hand appears like a resteal to him. Still let this go?

Seat 1: Firetribe ( $96 )
Seat 3: FALCONBERG ( $101.10 )
Seat 5: 2000mph ( $177.56 )
Seat 8: fishgirl07 ( $146.50 )
Seat 10: sigge79 ( $98.50 )
Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50
FALCONBERG posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
2000mph folds
fishgirl07 folds
sigge79 raises $4
Firetribe raises $13.50
FALCONBERG folds
sigge79 calls $10

Dealing Flop 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Firetribe bets $18
sigge79 raises $36
Firetribe?

[bones]

Villain is 37/24/4 over like 100 datamined hands. Picked up his chips without showdowns.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($40)
Button ($141.55)
SB ($33.45)
Hero ($178.50)
UTG ($39.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($29) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $11</font>, Hero calls $11.

Turn: ($51) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($51) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $27</font>, Hero calls $27.

Final Pot: $105

[bones]

No read other than he probably sucks. What's the plan for my hand if he calls the flop and a blank turn peels?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($45.90)
CO ($93.25)
Button ($67.70)
Hero ($102.80)
BB ($100)
UTG ($94.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($17.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[microbet]

Bones,

I understand it's hard to play a marginal hand out of position without impetus, but I think you did a good job.

edit: the 99 hand

[bones]

Villain is 44/6/1.5. He previously limp/called with AKs utg, then donkbet into me on a ragged flop. I called, we chk'd turn through and he vb the riv. Anyone betting the turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($44.90)
UTG ($100.45)
Hero ($120.85)
CO ($241.70)
Button ($127.55)
SB ($176.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($10.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, UTG calls $11.

Turn: ($42.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($42.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $42.50

[microbet]

On the TT hand if he calls the flop I sorta wish he didn't suck because a lot of the hands he could float the flop with can't stand a decent bet on the turn. If you're going to do this you have to make a small cbet though. If you think he'll hang onto Ax or something, then just check turn.

It doesn't seem like the worst spot to not cbet either and then bet the turn if he checks behind on the flop.