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04-12-2006, 02:02 PM
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How widespread is the bot problem?
Seems to be a lot of posts on suspected bots lately. Are they really that prevalent and that good?
Which games are you likely to encounter them? Is it easier to program a bot for a full game or short handed? If they exist in large numbers, are they indeed superior to a good player? And wouldn't it be easy for a poker site to detect them? Like send an easy pop up question once a while to all the players? Is this paranoia or is this for real? It would certainly make mockery of all the "giveaway" promos on Party. 
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#2
04-12-2006, 02:06 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
Bots are not common, but the few that are out there are made an example of, so it seems like a bigger problem than it is.
Currently, they're also not very good. Supposedly they can beat .5/1 or 1/2, but so can a retarded monkey. A bot would get murdered by a good player in the vast majority of poker games. Where they become effective is low-level SnGs where you can employ a simple strategy and show a profit.
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#3
04-12-2006, 02:34 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
The bots that have been found are the tip of the iceburg.
The fact that a bot is not anywhere near world class does not make the issue any less scary.If allowed to continue they will improve.
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#4
04-12-2006, 02:38 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
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The bots that have been found are the tip of the iceburg. [/ QUOTE ] O RLY? Prove it. [ QUOTE ] The fact that a bot is not anywhere near world class does not make the issue any less scary.If allowed to continue they will improve. [/ QUOTE ] Improve to what? I fully believe that a bot could never play world-class poker.
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#5
04-12-2006, 02:57 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
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[ QUOTE ] The bots that have been found are the tip of the iceburg. [/ QUOTE ] O RLY? Prove it. [ QUOTE ] The fact that a bot is not anywhere near world class does not make the issue any less scary.If allowed to continue they will improve. [/ QUOTE ] Improve to what? I fully believe that a bot could never play world-class poker. [/ QUOTE ] Neither will the vast majority of pros on this site who make or supplement their living playing online poker at fishy tables. PairTheBoard
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#6
04-12-2006, 05:24 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
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Improve to what? I fully believe that a bot could never play world-class poker. [/ QUOTE ] Thats what they said about computers and Chess. A masterfully written computer poker program would make perfect mathmatical decisions, plus use game theory, plus have a perfect memory about every hand it has seen you play. A world class poker player would have to get lucky to beat it. Just because no one has done it doesn't mean it isn't coming, some very smart people are working on it, and I don't mean the yahoos at winholdem. Poker Robots
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#7
04-12-2006, 05:36 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
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Thats what they said about computers and Chess. A masterfully written computer poker program would make perfect mathmatical decisions, plus use game theory, plus have a perfect memory about every hand it has seen you play. A world class poker player would have to get lucky to beat it. Just because no one has done it doesn't mean it isn't coming, some very smart people are working on it, and I don't mean the yahoos at winholdem. [/ QUOTE ] That's just what they said about robots that can converse with you.
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#8
04-13-2006, 01:09 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
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[ QUOTE ] Improve to what? I fully believe that a bot could never play world-class poker. [/ QUOTE ] Thats what they said about computers and Chess. [/ QUOTE ] Poker is a game of incomplete information, while chess is a game of complete information. A good chess player will look at a game and tell you the best move. A good poker play will look at a hand and tell you, it depends.
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#10
04-12-2006, 06:31 PM
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Re: How widespread is the bot problem?
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I fully believe that a bot could never play world-class poker. [/ QUOTE ] To me, this is not relevant. It doesn't matter whether a player is better or a worse player than a bot... Suppose you are playing 2/4 LHE. Suppose you don't realize that you are up against nine bots. Suppose these bots play such that they only play, oh, I don't know, Groups 1-3, and all pairs. If you are player 10, are you not worse off than if you had the usual idiots who play every ace, every suited hand, and some lovelies like K9 as well? It doesn't matter if the human can or cannot beat the bots. What matters is that the game is less profitable for a winning player who can beat them, and it is more unprofitable for a typical moron Acehugger. If these things cut your earn from 2BB/100 to 1.25 BB/100, the fact that you can still beat them because you are world class and they are not does not change the fact that you are losing a great deal of income as a result of the "new blood". This is like, my opinion, man.
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