Rockies fans are gonna be pissed. Braun Wins ROY

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JFC

TT saved 35 runs with his defense

HR cost his team 35 with his

wtf is wrong with you people?

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Plus minus is an outs based system, not runs. If you don't even know what a stat means, please stop treating it like gospel, kthx.

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UZR chart presented is a runs based system.

if youre gonna try and be clever....wait, dont. kthxbye

[Mondogarage]

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imo this is a complete sham. I know Braun put up sick numbers considering the amount of games he playd, but Tulo played a demanding defensive position and played it incredibly well. led his team to the post-season.

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No sweat. When Braun turns into the next Bob Hamelin, and Tulo into the next Ripken, maybe a handful of East Coast biased voters will rue their votes...

Nahhhhh, those asshats will probably still think Braun just didn't hit his potential while Tulo luckboxed a whole career, lol.

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VORP accounts for players who play the same position. it doesnt work when comparing players across positions.

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My god thats the ENTIRE POINT OF THE STAT.

"The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances." - BP

[Dudd]

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JFC

TT saved 35 runs with his defense

HR cost his team 35 with his

wtf is wrong with you people?

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Plus minus is an outs based system, not runs. If you don't even know what a stat means, please stop treating it like gospel, kthx.

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UZR chart presented is a runs based system.

if youre gonna try and be clever....wait, dont. kthxbye

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JFC, what you posted was not UZR, this is UZR, and surprise surprise, 35 is wrong.

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...st_of_2007_uzr

[Pudge714]

Sublime,
Did Toro take over your account or something?

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VORP accounts for players who play the same position. it doesnt work when comparing players across positions.

do people really think ryan howard was MORE VALUABLE to his team in 2006 than grady sizemore or joe mauer?

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I hate to pile-on here, but thats exactly what VORP is saying. It is saying how valuable a player is compared to a replacement player at the same position. Take a guy with identical stats and change his position from SS to 1B to CF and his VORP will change each time.

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the thing is, replacement level SS's are worth more than replacement level 1B.

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lol im having a bad day. why do i waste so much time eitehr arguing with idiots, or posting wrong information (sorry dudd [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] no coffee, still TT pwns hanley by a sick amount)...the whole days is gone and nothing has been done. i retire.

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the thing is, replacement level SS's are worth more than replacement level 1B.

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Which is why VORP is runs above <u>A REPLACEMENT PLAYER AT THAT POSITION.</u>

Why would you think it didn't take that into account?

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Sublime,
Did Toro take over your account or something?

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lol


i should have made the point about TT &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Rb and then left. instead i work on no sleep and make an ass out of myself. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


i love you all, goodnight.

[vhawk01]

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I just cant think of anyone else who should win it.

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david wright (minus playoff crap, deservedly so), jimmy rollins, albert pujols (minus playoff crap, deservedly so)...


any of those guys wouldnt even compare to the horrible selection of braun over TT.

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With the Citizen Bank Park effect being greater than the Coors Field effect...