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#71
10-11-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: CONCLUSION
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I have asked over-and-over again for someone to give a reasoned argument against this practice. All I have seen are emotional arguments without substance and without supporting evidence. [/ QUOTE ] We must be reading different threads, then. Is it time to lock this one yet? 
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#72
10-11-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: CONCLUSION
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I couldn't care less) [/ QUOTE ] You long post says otherwise... [ QUOTE ] Maybe you'll get good enough so you won't NEED to use it as a crutch for your poor reading skills. [/ QUOTE ] My reading skills allowed me to make this insta-call. If this is a crutch then I will collect all the crutches I can... [ QUOTE ] A poker player who uses various underhanded, unfair methods to take advantage of inexperienced opponents. [/ QUOTE ] Where is the beef? You show the defintion but where is argument showing this tactic is under-handed? It is legal to read tells from your opponents and act on that information.... Perhaps you will claim it is unfair to use the tell of betting patterns against an inexperienced opponent. Yes? Again no one can explain to me with reasoned arguments why this is wrong in a cash game. I think I will cut my losses and realize that no one against this tactic can give me a reason that is not based in emotion and illogic...
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#73
10-11-2007, 02:07 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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You are a douche. Not unethical, but a douche. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Are you kidding or just couldn't come up with a reasoned answer? He is not a douche and this has nothing to do with ethics. It is either a rule or not. Lets say this is a rule and the first violation results in a warning. If the OP knew the rule and knew that the first violation would result in a slap on the wrist (but he still wins the pot) then yes, he would have an ethical issue and would be a douche. But this crap about rooms discouraging it is asinine. The room either has a rule or doesn't. The player believes that showing his card may help him in gathering information then he should show anytime he feels like it HU.
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#74
10-11-2007, 02:16 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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[ QUOTE ] You are a douche. Not unethical, but a douche. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Are you kidding or just couldn't come up with a reasoned answer? He is not a douche and this has nothing to do with ethics. It is either a rule or not. Lets say this is a rule and the first violation results in a warning. If the OP knew the rule and knew that the first violation would result in a slap on the wrist (but he still wins the pot) then yes, he would have an ethical issue and would be a douche. But this crap about rooms discouraging it is asinine. The room either has a rule or doesn't. The player believes that showing his card may help him in gathering information then he should show anytime he feels like it HU. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe slightly off topic, but casinos (at least in Vegas) can still kick you out for no apparent good reason, right? In that case even if there is no rule, if you kept using this line after repeated warnings they can 'discourage' you right out the door. This always irked me, BTW.
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#75
10-11-2007, 02:44 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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But this crap about rooms discouraging it is asinine. The room either has a rule or doesn't. The player believes that showing his card may help him in gathering information then he should show anytime he feels like it HU. [/ QUOTE ] So what is the "rule" in his cardroom? According to OP, some dealers would DQ him on the spot and all Floor are unanimous in their belief that it is an agleshot. Wouldn't it stand to reason that sometimes a player would get DQ'd for turning his cards face up when HU and that the Floor would support that decision? You should play at Foxwoods sometime. Depending on which Floor you get and what the question is, a ruling could go either way... Only a fool would continue to make this play in his cardroom without first running it by the dealer.
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#77
10-11-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: Turning Hand Up Headup = Unethical?
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LOL. Are you kidding or just couldn't come up with a reasoned answer? [/ QUOTE ] I keep asking for someone to give me a reasoned answer but no one can. I hear ad hominem attacks that I'm a douche, I hear emotional rants saying they don't like this tactic, and I hear people claim that people that don't know the rules might flip their hand over (like its my responsibility someone doesn't know the rules) but the silence of a reasoned response is deafening.... I once asked the card room mgmt about turning a hand up 3+ handed and they gave me a very clear response that people could use this to collude. I said, "Ahhhhhh" and I understood the purpose of the rule and I moved on. The formula is: Question + Well Thought Out Reasoned Response = Acceptance and Understanding In this post the formulas are: Question + Ad hominem attacks = Uh....this is suppose to persuade and educate me? Question + "I don't like this" = And why is this bad? Question + "Dumb players might make a mistake" = So how is this my problem? When I first posted I was confused how this could be a bad tactic. After reading all the posts, I'm now convinced this a completely legit tactic that I will continue to use WHEN ALLOWED... In the end the best hand took the pot..... To me an angle shooter is one that uses underhanded tactics to allow the 2nd best hand to win the pot....
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#78
10-11-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: Am I Chasing a Rainbow Here?
I think this is OK heads up, but not in a multi-way pot. I had someone show his AK on a K55 flop with me and one other player in the hand. I was holding the A5 and the 3rd player in the hand to act before me mucked his KJ. Obviously, I lost some money that should of been in the pot. I informed the floor man, and he just gave this a guy a warning not to do it again. Not cool.
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#80
10-15-2007, 10:23 AM
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Update: I Can Do It
After speaking with several floor supervisers getting varying accounts about turning my cards face-up, I spoke with the Larry the head poker room mgr on Sunday. He said, "OF COURSE you can turn my cards up when heads-up. If you want to give your opponent that information then do it."
I do think it is a little bizzare that depending on the floor person you talk to that you get different opinions. It make me wonder if most of these guys transferred from the BlackJack games and therefore lack knowledge in basic poker rules..... But this incident did have a silver lining. I avoided turning my cards up to get tells and I dsicovered another technique to elicit tells from my opponents at the river. So I have one more tool in my bag of tricks. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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