Hand from Borgata WPT

[betgo]

Yeh, this is probably the key OP was looking for. By saying call, it either becomes a call or he scares people that he is angle shooting.

[LearnedfromTV]

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I'm curious who the first person to find the key will be. I bet it's going to be a very well respected poster. Maybe LearnedFromTV!

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Dude, this plus the pm you sent is a sick amount of pressure.

He's fine, as far as his hand strength goes, with call or raise, so has a big hand. AA/KK/AK all fit preflop and all are probably equally likely to be slowplayed on the flop, TTT makes sense too.

The only thing I can think of is that he's not bothered by the prospect of the guy behind having spades, so he probably has a big hand w/ spades. Preflop seems to rule out QJss (and no one has really considered that hand, for good reason based on preflop description).

So I vote AK spades.

But I think someone said that.

Another thing that someone else already said and that makes sense to me is that he was slowplaying a monster, intended to raise, and then realized three seconds after throwing the chips out that QJ was possible and doesn't want to stack off anymore. But that could be AA, KK, or AK.

I fear that I < Alan Sass and thorladen

[mwalsh2020]

lol betgo, thank you for concisely restating what i took like 4 paragraphs to say =). thats exactly the main point i was getting at.

[NYWalker]

I haven't read others replies, but when I see

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"The details in this hand are crucial. Please read it twice, and think about it carefully before posting."


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I like this post already...

1. About the players.

UTG: wealthy, likes to bluff, tricky, overvalues reads. competent and thinking. (LOOSE)

BB : not rich, satellited into this event, beer, football =(no experience in 10K event), nice=flexible with ruling/arguments. (TIGHT,STRAIGHTFORWARD)

Hero: young Internet kid with good image/reputation. (LOOSE pf but tight/aggressive post-flop)


2. The hand, early stage in a deep stack, high buy-in tourney.

PF:

UTG limps 100, Hero (SB) calls with 88, BB raises to 600. Call/Call.

READ: According to your description when he raises, BB plays "Hollywood" with big hands, satellite player in 10K doesnt mess around from BB in nothing pot.

BB has a big PP. JJ+. UTG makes a loose call, SB looks for set.


Flop: AhKd8s

Pot 1800, 3-way.

check around.

(READ: BB either has QQ,JJ or AA,KK, maybe AK but questionable from the size of PF raise)

Turn: Ts

(board AhKd8sTs, there is a potential flush draw,straightdraw, big hands will expose now)

Hero (SB) bets 1300, BB throws in 5k and 1k then says "call".

READ: BB originally wanted to just call with 1k and 500 chip but picked the wrong chip. But, he's OK with the ruling means when he realized wrong chips and then said "call", naturally, he didn't want you guys to fold but he's OK with taking the pot down. He never has QQ/JJ.

Conclusion, He has a big set(AA/KK) 80% or AK 20%. We only put in 2K, FOLD.
(Do some "hollywood" to see his hole cards - "You show me if I fold?" or just fold 88 face up, normally, you'll get two valuable things from this)

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You can't call. All-in or fold. But he's not folding.

Edit: Another thing, when he put in 6K chips, it's very likely he wanted to raise but then debating whether or not to raise, finally decides to just call and announces a late "call!" - he doesn't understand the rules. Given this, he is very comfortable with this board and his hand. Small stakes players in 10K events want life change money, he's so confident and so OK with the ruling, bottom set is no good.

[ZeeJustin]

No one's there yet (sorry LearnedFromTV).

But this sure is fun! Watching everyone struggle like this. If no one gets it by tonight I will explain it, but I'll let you guys struggle for a little while longer.

[benlj21]

The more I think about this, the more I think that because our hand is underrepresented, we should call, and play the river in such a way as to get value out of AK. That probably means we should lead any river that won't improve AK or look scary to him, and fold to a raise. Also, we should probably c/f rivers that should be scary to him. So basically, c/f any spade or A-J river, shove if we spike quads, and 1/2 or 2/3-pot any other river and fold to a raise. So I guess my line is similar to ActionJeff's.

[NYWalker]

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What is this a [censored] treasure hunt?

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[ZeeJustin]

I just x-posted this hand in HS-NL. Let's see if those guys can embarrass us MTTers or not.

Edit: 0evg0 thinks I gave the HS NLers an unfair advantage by posting this hint over there

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I posted this hand in HS MTT, and they are really struggling with it. Solving this hand is probably a skill that cash game players are more likely to have, so let's see if any of you guys can come up with the correct explanation.

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Just reposting it here for fairness I guess.

[TonyG_]

I think i call here and blocking bet most riveres vs this guy. You will be getting value from hands you beat(which cant be completely out of the question since u give reads on urself and the armenian as looser than normal) because he can easily think youre making a move on him reading his turn action as weakness. But more importantly i dont think its very likely for him to raise your river bet with worse considering he is a tight, straightforward, satelite player who could use more agression in his game, AND if he did want to make a move on the river it would end up having to be for all of his chips. Lastly an angleshoot on the turn just doesnt seem likely from someone who u describe as a nice guy, who isnt a high stakes player. It wouldnt seem to out of the question for someone like this whos had a few beers and doesnt have that much experience in casino games to make a mistake like this.

[g-p]

i change my answer to fold, its a clear angleshoot