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#71
09-29-2007, 10:49 AM
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Re: Ask me about being a FIFA-certified soccer referee
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Brag : I referee at a higher level then OP [/ QUOTE ]what level. 
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#74
09-29-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: micro
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[ QUOTE ] Micro- I'm not as highly qualified as OP although I have refereed probably 500 matches. The answer to your last question is indisputably that he should be whistled for off sides. If he was in an offsides position when the ball was struck, and his being in that position led to his team gaining an advantage (a goal!) he is guilty of offside. Good thread, btw. [/ QUOTE ] lol i hope you never referee one of my games, because its not that cut and dry. As long as he didn't pressure the goalie at all (its hard to tell from your post microBob, but I'm assuming that the opposing player had absolutely nothing to do with the goalie dropping it). You can't be offsides when the opposing team plays the ball, so he's all good and its a goal [/ QUOTE ] Actually, I'd be very interested in hearing from some of the more senior referees on the board, because I disagree. For example: A player in an offside position is standing at the top of the penalty box. His teammate plays a ball to the opposite corner of the field and a defender runs over and attempts to clear it. The defender takes a big swing and shanks the ball off the side of his foot, and it rolls to the offside player who scores. This goal won't stand. The player gained an advantage from being in his offisde position Even though the opposing team played the ball Again, without all the specifics it's difficult to tell the correct call from the original question. Your assertion that "you can't be offside when the other team plays the ball" isn't nececssarily true. Stak
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#76
09-29-2007, 12:36 PM
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Re: micro
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Micro- I'm not as highly qualified as OP although I have refereed probably 500 matches. The answer to your last question is indisputably that he should be whistled for off sides. If he was in an offsides position when the ball was struck, and his being in that position led to his team gaining an advantage (a goal!) he is guilty of offside. Good thread, btw. [/ QUOTE ] lol i hope you never referee one of my games, because its not that cut and dry. As long as he didn't pressure the goalie at all (its hard to tell from your post microBob, but I'm assuming that the opposing player had absolutely nothing to do with the goalie dropping it). You can't be offsides when the opposing team plays the ball, so he's all good and its a goal [/ QUOTE ] Actually, I'd be very interested in hearing from some of the more senior referees on the board, because I disagree. For example: A player in an offside position is standing at the top of the penalty box. His teammate plays a ball to the opposite corner of the field and a defender runs over and attempts to clear it. The defender takes a big swing and shanks the ball off the side of his foot, and it rolls to the offside player who scores. This goal won't stand. The player gained an advantage from being in his offisde position Even though the opposing team played the ball Again, without all the specifics it's difficult to tell the correct call from the original question. Your assertion that "you can't be offside when the other team plays the ball" isn't nececssarily true. Stak [/ QUOTE ] yeah but once play was allowed to go on, the fact that the player was in an offsides position doesn't give the opposing team a free card to get it out of their back third. this isn't the nhl, theres no return to the blue line rule
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#77
09-29-2007, 12:41 PM
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Re: micro
I'm not sure what more information is needed. I think he was close enough to our goalie to distract him but could conceiveably be ruled as not in the play.
Goalie muffs the ball, it deflects sort of towards the player who is walking mostly away from the play but kind of half-stops and is looking at the play just in case. And then after it is touched he jumps right in and knocks it into the goal. This is a situation where I assume the center-ref could have overruled the asst-ref's interpretation of whether he was offside or not. No flag went up. But CR could ask AR, "Was he in an offside position?" AR says, "Yes, but I ruled that he wsn't affecting the play," CR says, "But he scored the ball and was close enough to goalie to be a distraction so I'm going to overrule you." I'm not positive that such an overrule would be allowed but in this situation I believe it was clearly warranted. IOW, if I had known that I needed to guard the guy who was 20 yards offside then I would have gotten back there. I admit that my understanding of the rule and the AR's potential to allow any goal he scored to stand was lacking in this situation. But a defense should be able to count on not having to run back and guard guys who are standing 20 yards offside imo.
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#78
09-29-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: Ask me about being a FIFA-certified soccer referee
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Brag : I referee at a higher level then OP [/ QUOTE ]what level. [/ QUOTE ] Northern conference mainly [/ QUOTE ]is that really much higher? Either way, I think its neat both of you guys ref at high levels.
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#80
09-29-2007, 01:51 PM
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Re: micro
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For example: A player in an offside position is standing at the top of the penalty box. His teammate plays a ball to the opposite corner of the field and a defender runs over and attempts to clear it. The defender takes a big swing and shanks the ball off the side of his foot, and it rolls to the offside player who scores. This goal won't stand. The player gained an advantage from being in his offisde position Even though the opposing team played the ball Again, without all the specifics it's difficult to tell the correct call from the original question. Your assertion that "you can't be offside when the other team plays the ball" isn't nececssarily true. Stak [/ QUOTE ] To give this as offside exactly as you describe would really be absymal refereeing. Please, more common sense and less nitty rule interpretations for things like this.
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